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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Just realized that the Knicks could give the Jazz a pick swap in 2023, whereby the Jazz apply the pick swap to one of their other FRPs in 2023. For example, the Knicks get the lowest out of the T'wolves, Sixers and their own pick in this next draft. So the Jazz would have their own lottery pick and then could swap the Sixers' pick up (late 1st) to the Knicks pick (lottery/mid-1st).

Then the Knicks can give us FRPs in 24, 26 and 28.
 
Just realized that the Knicks could give the Jazz a pick swap in 2023, whereby the Jazz apply the pick swap to one of their other FRPs in 2023. For example, the Knicks get the lowest out of the T'wolves, Sixers and their own pick in this next draft. So the Jazz would have their own lottery pick and then could swap the Sixers' pick up (late 1st) to the Knicks pick (lottery/mid-1st).

Then the Knicks can give us FRPs in 24, 26 and 28.
So Fred Katz brought up on a podcast the Pre-Davis Lakers.. remember when it was a given that the Lakers were trading for AD and all their young guys disappointed and a black cloud hung over the team… what happens when camp opens and the questions and anxiety increase… Knicks guys gonna be all bought in if they getting shipped out? Thibs gonna help ease their concerns? Not gonna give them the start they are looking for… hurts their record and the pick or swap we get for 23 looks better and better.
 
So Fred Katz brought up on a podcast the Pre-Davis Lakers.. remember when it was a given that the Lakers were trading for AD and all their young guys disappointed and a black cloud hung over the team… what happens when camp opens and the questions and anxiety increase… Knicks guys gonna be all bought in if they getting shipped out? Thibs gonna help ease their concerns? Not gonna give them the start they are looking for… hurts their record and the pick or swap we get for 23 looks better and better.
Maybe, but the Lakers traded 7 guys in that deal, and at least three of them (Hart, Ball, Ingram) were contributors. We’re not disrupting enough of their rotation.
 
Maybe, but the Lakers traded 7 guys in that deal, and at least three of them (Hart, Ball, Ingram) were contributors. We’re not disrupting enough of their rotation.
Fournier, Quickley, Toppin, Rose, Grimes, Reddish... could all be dudes in the deal. They also may wait until next offseason to extend RJ... IDK... they gave up a lot of depth in the salary dump deals. The margin for error in the east will be small.. I think their floor is a play in team... but with a slow start it could get rough fast.
 
Just realized that the Knicks could give the Jazz a pick swap in 2023, whereby the Jazz apply the pick swap to one of their other FRPs in 2023. For example, the Knicks get the lowest out of the T'wolves, Sixers and their own pick in this next draft. So the Jazz would have their own lottery pick and then could swap the Sixers' pick up (late 1st) to the Knicks pick (lottery/mid-1st).

Then the Knicks can give us FRPs in 24, 26 and 28.
That would be a genius level move. :)
 
Just realized that the Knicks could give the Jazz a pick swap in 2023, whereby the Jazz apply the pick swap to one of their other FRPs in 2023. For example, the Knicks get the lowest out of the T'wolves, Sixers and their own pick in this next draft. So the Jazz would have their own lottery pick and then could swap the Sixers' pick up (late 1st) to the Knicks pick (lottery/mid-1st).

Then the Knicks can give us FRPs in 24, 26 and 28.
I don't think that's how swaps work, but I could be wrong. Maybe you can write a trade like that.
 
So Fred Katz brought up on a podcast the Pre-Davis Lakers.. remember when it was a given that the Lakers were trading for AD and all their young guys disappointed and a black cloud hung over the team… what happens when camp opens and the questions and anxiety increase… Knicks guys gonna be all bought in if they getting shipped out? Thibs gonna help ease their concerns? Not gonna give them the start they are looking for… hurts their record and the pick or swap we get for 23 looks better and better.
All depends on how they start the season. If they are winning and it's all fell good with the young guys playing really well they might even shelf getting Mitchell until next year.
 
Im relieved there are less fake rumors now. I think we will have a month of mostly dead time and the rumors will pick back up in September when teams get closer to training camp.

I was pretty anxious for a little while there, and just wanted a deal to get done. Every big rumor that speculated a deal was imminent meant that I was checking for updates way too frequently.

I'm much more relaxed now. I definitely want something to get done before training camp (do we have a date for this yet?), but I'm also glad there isn't a lot to get excited about for awhile.
 
Fournier, Quickley, Toppin, Rose, Grimes, Reddish... could all be dudes in the deal. They also may wait until next offseason to extend RJ... IDK... they gave up a lot of depth in the salary dump deals. The margin for error in the east will be small.. I think their floor is a play in team... but with a slow start it could get rough fast.
But is their floor really a play-in team?

I know the West is deeper, but if it was currently the Jazz trying to make a playoff run with a core of Donovan/Brunson/Barrett, I would be nervous as hell about even making it to the play-in.

And if that really is NY’s floor after adding Mitchell, then they’ll need to worry about keeping all 3 healthy and in the lineup for 70+ games if they plan on avoiding the lottery (IMO). A deal with the Jazz is gonna put a serious dent in NY’s depth, and while I think Donovan will prove to be an apt recruiter for the Knicks going forward, they’re not gonna be able to fill those holes between whenever a deal gets done and the start of the season.

If Donovan to NY ever actually happens, I think getting NY’s ‘23 pick unprotected could prove to be the most valuable of the bunch.
 
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