mellow
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This is just stunning to me.
Didn't Brunson play for Mavericks?
The Mavericks are owned by Mark Cuban....who has been tampering for 20 years now.
This is just stunning to me.
So Fred Katz brought up on a podcast the Pre-Davis Lakers.. remember when it was a given that the Lakers were trading for AD and all their young guys disappointed and a black cloud hung over the team… what happens when camp opens and the questions and anxiety increase… Knicks guys gonna be all bought in if they getting shipped out? Thibs gonna help ease their concerns? Not gonna give them the start they are looking for… hurts their record and the pick or swap we get for 23 looks better and better.Just realized that the Knicks could give the Jazz a pick swap in 2023, whereby the Jazz apply the pick swap to one of their other FRPs in 2023. For example, the Knicks get the lowest out of the T'wolves, Sixers and their own pick in this next draft. So the Jazz would have their own lottery pick and then could swap the Sixers' pick up (late 1st) to the Knicks pick (lottery/mid-1st).
Then the Knicks can give us FRPs in 24, 26 and 28.
Maybe, but the Lakers traded 7 guys in that deal, and at least three of them (Hart, Ball, Ingram) were contributors. We’re not disrupting enough of their rotation.So Fred Katz brought up on a podcast the Pre-Davis Lakers.. remember when it was a given that the Lakers were trading for AD and all their young guys disappointed and a black cloud hung over the team… what happens when camp opens and the questions and anxiety increase… Knicks guys gonna be all bought in if they getting shipped out? Thibs gonna help ease their concerns? Not gonna give them the start they are looking for… hurts their record and the pick or swap we get for 23 looks better and better.
Fournier, Quickley, Toppin, Rose, Grimes, Reddish... could all be dudes in the deal. They also may wait until next offseason to extend RJ... IDK... they gave up a lot of depth in the salary dump deals. The margin for error in the east will be small.. I think their floor is a play in team... but with a slow start it could get rough fast.Maybe, but the Lakers traded 7 guys in that deal, and at least three of them (Hart, Ball, Ingram) were contributors. We’re not disrupting enough of their rotation.
That would be a genius level move.Just realized that the Knicks could give the Jazz a pick swap in 2023, whereby the Jazz apply the pick swap to one of their other FRPs in 2023. For example, the Knicks get the lowest out of the T'wolves, Sixers and their own pick in this next draft. So the Jazz would have their own lottery pick and then could swap the Sixers' pick up (late 1st) to the Knicks pick (lottery/mid-1st).
Then the Knicks can give us FRPs in 24, 26 and 28.
I don't think that's how swaps work, but I could be wrong. Maybe you can write a trade like that.Just realized that the Knicks could give the Jazz a pick swap in 2023, whereby the Jazz apply the pick swap to one of their other FRPs in 2023. For example, the Knicks get the lowest out of the T'wolves, Sixers and their own pick in this next draft. So the Jazz would have their own lottery pick and then could swap the Sixers' pick up (late 1st) to the Knicks pick (lottery/mid-1st).
Then the Knicks can give us FRPs in 24, 26 and 28.
All depends on how they start the season. If they are winning and it's all fell good with the young guys playing really well they might even shelf getting Mitchell until next year.So Fred Katz brought up on a podcast the Pre-Davis Lakers.. remember when it was a given that the Lakers were trading for AD and all their young guys disappointed and a black cloud hung over the team… what happens when camp opens and the questions and anxiety increase… Knicks guys gonna be all bought in if they getting shipped out? Thibs gonna help ease their concerns? Not gonna give them the start they are looking for… hurts their record and the pick or swap we get for 23 looks better and better.
Im relieved there are less fake rumors now. I think we will have a month of mostly dead time and the rumors will pick back up in September when teams get closer to training camp.
But is their floor really a play-in team?Fournier, Quickley, Toppin, Rose, Grimes, Reddish... could all be dudes in the deal. They also may wait until next offseason to extend RJ... IDK... they gave up a lot of depth in the salary dump deals. The margin for error in the east will be small.. I think their floor is a play in team... but with a slow start it could get rough fast.
I should have said with relatively decent health their floor is play in... and it could be last team out of the play in... but I think they are better than the Magic, Pacers, Pistons, Hornets (no Bridges... Hayward can't be real happy there... Borrego is actually a good coach). So the Wiz or Knicks hit the play in... or if some team has an inordinate amount of injuries they drop.But is their floor really a play-in team?
I know the West is deeper, but if it was currently the Jazz trying to make a playoff run with a core of Donovan/Brunson/Barrett, I would be nervous as hell about even making it to the play-in.
And if that really is NY’s floor after adding Mitchell, then they’ll need to worry about keeping all 3 healthy and in the lineup for 70+ games if they plan on avoiding the lottery (IMO). A deal with the Jazz is gonna put a serious dent in NY’s depth, and while I think Donovan will prove to be an apt recruiter for the Knicks going forward, they’re not gonna be able to fill those holes between whenever a deal gets done and the start of the season.
If Donovan to NY ever actually happens, I think getting NY’s ‘23 pick unprotected could prove to be the most valuable of the bunch.
He's devastated they lost the Summer League title.Can't believe how little we've heard from @MeloTheJazzKiller on all this. You'd think he'd be in the thick of it.
Can't believe how little we've heard from @MeloTheJazzKiller on all this. You'd think he'd be in the thick of it.
I think you have to own the picks that you’re including in the swap. I don’t believe you can make the trade so ambiguous that you can include picks that either team doesn’t already own. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a swap with picks not yet already owned by either team.I don't think that's how swaps work, but I could be wrong. Maybe you can write a trade like that.
You can definitely do it with picks you own. I don't know on the unknown... we haven't seen it before but that doesn't mean it isn't legal. I would think as long as the Stepien rule is satisfied that you can do it but not sure if it is specifically outlawed.I think you have to own the picks that you’re including in the swap. I don’t believe you can make the trade so ambiguous that you can include picks that either team doesn’t already own. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a swap with picks not yet already owned by either team.
If that’s the case, then timing becomes very important. If you want to include a Knicks or Lakers future pick, I think the Jazz have to already own then in order to do that.
But, once they make some of the trades that they’re expected to here before training camp, they could definitely leverage some of those additional assets into pick swaps elsewhere instead of getting more 1sts.
That was the part I was commenting on.You can definitely do it with picks you own. I don't know on the unknown... we haven't seen it before but that doesn't mean it isn't legal. I would think as long as the Stepien rule is satisfied that you can do it but not sure if it is specifically outlawed.