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[Bucknutz]

You just don’t see this kind of rhetoric, tribalism, and blind loyalty on the left from its politicians to its media outlets. One can easily see who and what influenced this man to do this. It’s been a hallmark of Trump and RW media for two years now.

You don’t? Or if I point this out, will you call it whataboutism?

There is violent rhetoric that has came from both sides. But don’t act like the left doesn’t do it (rhetoric, tribalism and blind loyalty). The left did it for 6 straight years and still continues on after Trump left.

Biden says he would 'beat the hell' out of Trump if in high school | CNN Politics

Former Vice President Joe Biden said he would "beat the hell out of" President Donald Trump if they were in high school over his crude comments about women.

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/cnns_chris_cuomo_who_says_protests_are_supposed.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/23/books/review/trumps-next-chapter.html

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Democrat Senator Calls For Literal Violence Against Pro-Lifers

'This is a, literally, call to arms in our country,' said Democrat Sen. Mazie Hirono from the Senate floor.

thefederalist.com

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[One Brow]

You don’t? Or if I point this out, will you call it whataboutism?

Some of what you linked is legit, some is whataboutism, and some doesn't even support your claim ("taking to the streets" is about protesting, not violence). This isn't a 'both sides do it" issue, one side is definitely more egregious than the other.

 

[Bucknutz]

Some of what you linked is legit, some is whataboutism, and some doesn't even support your claim ("taking to the streets" is about protesting, not violence). This isn't a 'both sides do it" issue, one side is definitely more egregious than the other.

Which is whataboutism? Because I didn’t change the subject and turn it around on him. I responded to him saying the left doesn’t do rhetoric, blind trust or Tribalism. Which is absolutely false, there has been 6 years of it.

“taking to the streets” and he continues with talking about wide spread civil unrest. Then he tones it down with “protests”. But not all protests are civil.

It is a both sided thing. Does a right side actress hold up a bloody cutoff Biden head. Does a rapper “shoot” Biden in the head. Does the right write plays where they assassinate Biden?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/12/trump-like-julius-caesar-assassinated-in-new-york-play-delta-bank-of-america-pull-funding/

I think this is the “blind trust” that thriller is talking about. The left thinks the left is virtuous, kind and accepting. When in reality they are not. You guys rip Trump and the “maga” crowd every time you can. Your not inclusive. Just look at MV. Just as much as it is a stunt from the right, the left did a stunt when they bussed them off within 24 hours. Not inclusive. They didn’t want to deal with the 48 “problems” on their island oasis, just tell everyone how the right is just like Nazis.

Should we pull up how many times the left screams racism and Nazi’s at the right. Probably just as much as the right calls the left fascists and communists.

If you can’t see that it’s a both side issue, then you’re blind.

 

[One Brow]

Which is whataboutism?

Bringing in celebrities, when The Thriller focuses on politicians.

Because I didn’t change the subject and turn it around on him. I responded to him saying the left doesn’t do rhetoric, blind trust or Tribalism. Which is absolutely false, there has been 6 years of it.

He actually said, "Definitely not good. But thankfully you don’t see hardly any inflammatory rhetoric from the left. When it happens, it’s panned." "Inflammatory" is important in that sentence. Pointing out that it is panned is also important.

There has been heated rhetoric in American politics for all of my life, and centuries before that.

“taking to the streets” and he continues with talking about wide spread civil unrest. Then he tones it down with “protests”. But not all protests are civil.

I agree not all protests are civil, but to claim they mean otherwise by "take it to the streets" is to pretend you can read minds.

It is a both sided thing. Does a right side actress hold up a bloody cutoff Biden head. Does a rapper “shoot” Biden in the head. Does the right write plays where they assassinate Biden?

Are any of these people politicians? Did any of them threaten actual violence, Say, along the lines of Sen. Lindsey Graham saying there will be riots (yes, specifically riots) if Trump is arrested?

Just as much as it is a stunt from the right, the left did a stunt when they bussed them off within 24 hours.

They moved the migrants from what was effectively a homeless shelter into dormitory housing, which is very different from "bussing them off". MV residents made sure the migrants had a safe place to live, unlike DeSantis/Abbott. Do you the migrants preferred the shelter?

Should we pull up how many times the left screams racism and Nazi’s at the right. Probably just as much as the right calls the left fascists and communists.

I see the ratio as something like 2:1 among non-politicians, and 10:1 among politicians. If Democratic politicians were constantly saying Republicans were fascists, there wouldn'thave been such large pretend outrage when Biden said "semi-fascist".

If you can’t see that it’s a both side issue, then you’re blind.

If you think the issue is not much larger to the right than the left, then I probably can't help you. Thanks for the discussion.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I know some D list celebrity who hasn’t made a movie in a few decades probably said something mean a few years ago. But this happened tonight. He was the former president and the current GOP frontrunner for 2024. Watch it before contributing any more to this thread:

View: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308887248179200?s=46&t=hD7nEgR6mNTCwp-dAZC8EQ

 

[Deleted member 365]

Which is whataboutism? Because I didn’t change the subject and turn it around on him. I responded to him saying the left doesn’t do rhetoric, blind trust or Tribalism. Which is absolutely false, there has been 6 years of it.

“taking to the streets” and he continues with talking about wide spread civil unrest. Then he tones it down with “protests”. But not all protests are civil.

It is a both sided thing. Does a right side actress hold up a bloody cutoff Biden head. Does a rapper “shoot” Biden in the head. Does the right write plays where they assassinate Biden?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/12/trump-like-julius-caesar-assassinated-in-new-york-play-delta-bank-of-america-pull-funding/

I think this is the “blind trust” that thriller is talking about. The left thinks the left is virtuous, kind and accepting. When in reality they are not. You guys rip Trump and the “maga” crowd every time you can. Your not inclusive. Just look at MV. Just as much as it is a stunt from the right, the left did a stunt when they bussed them off within 24 hours. Not inclusive. They didn’t want to deal with the 48 “problems” on their island oasis, just tell everyone how the right is just like Nazis.

Should we pull up how many times the left screams racism and Nazi’s at the right. Probably just as much as the right calls the left fascists and communists.

If you can’t see that it’s a both side issue, then you’re blind.

Simple questions:

1. Do you believe the rhetoric from LW politicians and media is just as inflammatory or more than that coming from the RW?

2. Do you see a connection between RW inflammatory rhetoric and attacks on our democratic institutions? What is the RW doing to lower the temperature?

3. What role does a former president have in stopping the inflammatory rhetoric? Does he/she have any responsibility?

 

[Bucknutz]

I know some D list celebrity who hasn’t made a movie in a few decades probably said something mean a few years ago. But this happened tonight. He was the former president and the current GOP frontrunner for 2024. Watch it before contributing any more to this thread:

View: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308887248179200?s=46&t=hD7nEgR6mNTCwp-dAZC8EQ

I watched it. What does it have to do with violent rhetoric? It sounds like a normal Trump speech, with background music. What did you want someone to get out of it?

Am I allowed to contribute again to this thread?

PS…look at the rhetoric from Aaron “cult like” and “pass the kool-aid”. Doesn’t seem like he is lowering the temperature.

 

[Bucknutz]

Simple questions:

1. Do you believe the rhetoric from LW politicians and media is just as inflammatory or more than that coming from the RW?

When? Right now or during 4 years of Trump?

If Brad commits 1st degree murder and Jamie commits 2nd degree murder are they both considered murders?

I don’t see the problem as who is doing it more, because that fluctuates. I see it as both parties are at fault.

2. Do you see a connection between RW inflammatory rhetoric and attacks on our democratic institutions? What is the RW doing to lower the temperature?

Yes, I can see a connection with RW rhetoric when it comes to RW extremists and their actions.
I’m not allowing you to lump all the people on the right together, which your question implies. That includes everyone in the “MAGA” crowd.
Because extremists takes the rhetoric and uses it as a reason to act.

Neither side is doing anything to lower the temperature, so the result is the RW is not lowering the temperature. Someone needs to lower it and politically would be a positive for them.

3. What role does a former president have in stopping the inflammatory rhetoric? Does he/she have any responsibility?

Depends on the President. Clinton, Obama or Bush has almost no ability to stop the rhetoric going on, since they are not relevant anymore.
Trump has the ability, but he is not going to, since it looks like he is running again. He thinks that it’s going to fire up his base with rhetoric that is not necessary. He could easily rip on the FBI or the left without using inflammatory rhetoric, but doesn’t.

Responsibility for what? If someone acts on the rhetoric? I don’t blame Bernie or anyone else on the left when the James Hodgkinson shot up the republicans at a congressional baseball game. That is an extremist on the left, that acted.

 

[fishonjazz]

I know some D list celebrity who hasn’t made a movie in a few decades probably said something mean a few years ago. But this happened tonight. He was the former president and the current GOP frontrunner for 2024. Watch it before contributing any more to this thread:

View: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308887248179200?s=46&t=hD7nEgR6mNTCwp-dAZC8EQ

Pure craziness. That is some culty stuff going on there. He really seems to think america sucks. He should probably leave. Oh and now he seems to care about ukraine? What happened to all that praise for putin? I guess he sees that russia is looking like losers so he is switching sides now because he doesn’t want to be backing up the losing side.


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[Bucknutz]

@The Thriller
Simple questions for you now:

1. Do you believe your rhetoric on JF is just as inflammatory or more than that coming from the RW posters? (Examples below)







2. What are you doing to lower the temperature and actually have real debate?

3. What role does a an active poster have in stopping the inflammatory rhetoric? Does he/she have any responsibility in creating hostile forum for people with different views?

 

[Deleted member 365]

watched it. What does it have to do with violent rhetoric? It sounds like a normal Trump speech, with background music. What did you want someone to get out of it?

You literally just proved my point. A speech by the former president and current frontrunner for 2024 endorsing Qanon, spewing lies about the 2020 election, and spreading conspiracy and hate about America and American institutions, has become so widespread on the right that It’s normal to folks like
You.

While the rest of us not caught up in this cult, have this kind of reaction:

Pure craziness. That is some culty stuff going on there.


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Pure craziness.

 

[Deleted member 365]

@The Thriller
Simple questions for you now:

1. Do you believe your rhetoric on JF is just as inflammatory or more than that coming from the RW posters? (Examples below)
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2. What are you doing to lower the temperature and actually have real debate?

3. What role does a an active poster have in stopping the inflammatory rhetoric? Does he/she have any responsibility in creating hostile forum for people with different views?

For a crowd that claims to not care what others think about them, you sure seem sensitive.

There are conservatives on here who debate things fine with others like me. It seems like Trumpers really a struggle because they have no issues to debate, just blind defense of and for their Orange god king, Trump. Just as I said in the previous post, you’re making my point for me. Trumpers can’t debate issues, only defend and excuse the weak boy who’s angry that his parents never loved him. Sad.

I know you probably hoped to end this debate since you sensed you were losing by reaching out to attack me personally. While I’m flattered that you compare my posting to a message board to the former president, it’s just not even close to the same. Distraction aka whataboutism is a common tactic by Trumpers. So I’ll help ya with that off-ramp, If want to debate further the inflammatory rhetoric in politics, we can continue. If we’re going to drown in pissing matches like these, you can an back onto the block list.
Subject: Trump and the RW media’s rhetoric that is destroying American democracy
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Lastly, I’ll always stand by Trumpers being ignorant, stupid, or lacking in character. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me here. However, I believe that After everything he’s done and said over the past 6 years, one can only still support that man either by being woefully ignorant, incredibly stupid, or severely lacking in character. If you find that inflammatory then perhaps some introspection is necessary? *notice I said Trumpers and not conservatives. This is an important distinction that will probably go over your head.