Both of those statements definitely deserve condemnation.
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Bucknutz
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According to Thriller, the locals are now human traffickers.
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I guess i would ask you, did the dude outside kavanaughs house say something like “im working to restore Trump as President King of the US” and was going to “kill Democrats and liberals.”?
See how that dairy queen dude literally came right out and said i want to kill democrats and liberals cause King Trump.
Did the kavanaugh dude say anything like that?
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I believe he did, when he called 911 to turn himself in.
However, @RandyForRubio 's point is not about the two situations directly, from what I can tell, but about the rhetoric from various politicians in each party. I don't think there is equal venom coming both sides, but that doesn't mean the Democrats are without gilt here, either.
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Not exactly the same, no.
Simi Valley man arrested outside Justice Kavanaugh’s home charged with attempted murder
A man carrying a gun, a knife and zip ties was arrested Wednesday near Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s house in Maryland after threatening to kill the justice.
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No not much about overthrowing the government and installing a king, but an attempt to kill a SCJ and stop specific rulings.
The Thriller
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Thanks for responding with evidence this time. I think Waters said that several years ago and it was widely panned. I don’t believe she’s said it since. And I wasn’t even aware of Schumer’s words. Did he s speak them at a campaign rally or a widely watched news show? Both were inappropriate and irresponsible. Rhetoric like that taken by the wrong person can lead to violence.
But I don’t see rhetoric like this is consistent or widespread. More importantly, neither are connected to actual violence that can be attributed to Republican politicians and media members as we’ve seen over the past several years. Again. Think back to the hundreds if not thousands of attacks we’ve seen on politicians, immigrants, and institutions that can be directly attributed to right wing rhetoric. Just look at what’s being said literally everyday on the right by media operatives with millions of followers, current congresspeople, Republican candidates, and former presidents.
View: https://twitter.com/mollyjongfast/status/1570890716506914816?s=46&t=twOf470kEr4mP7bzGvIsgA
View: https://twitter.com/ronnyjacksontx/status/1570465483614461953?s=46&t=twOf470kEr4mP7bzGvIsgA
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View: https://twitter.com/ap/status/1570791372214439936?s=46&t=twOf470kEr4mP7bzGvIsgA
Let’s remember, Qanon was described by the FBI as a terrorist threat.
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FBI calls QAnon a domestic terrorist threat. Two Pa. Congress members voted not to condemn it. | Editorial
By refusing to condemn QAnon, elected officials are sending a dangerous signal to a violent movement.
www.inquirer.com
From the dehumanization of immigrants, political opponents, and teachers to election fraud lies to attacks on American institutions like the FBI and DOJ, to kidnapping attempts of governors, to Jan 6, the rhetoric on the right is taking a toll on our democracy. Which is why President Biden warned the nation a few weeks ago about the semi-fascism that is threatening the overthrow of our nation.
The Thriller
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not good. Definitely not good. But thankfully you don’t see hardly any inflammatory rhetoric from the left. When it happens, it’s panned. As Biden has done repeatedly. And it’s not leading to daily violence and/or threats.Not exactly the same, no.
Simi Valley man arrested outside Justice Kavanaugh’s home charged with attempted murder
A man carrying a gun, a knife and zip ties was arrested Wednesday near Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s house in Maryland after threatening to kill the justice.
No not much about overthrowing the government and installing a king, but an attempt to kill a SCJ and stop specific rulings.
And this post I know isn’t directed at you. But I think we need to see the bigger picture here instead of taking partisan potshots here.
Meanwhile, how many Republican candidates this weekend are calling their opponents pedophiles and allies of Satan?
How many immigrants are suffering emotional and physical harm because DeSantis wants to score pts with the base?
How many teachers and librarians will be forced into resigning due to RW rhetoric inflaming the community against them?
How many polling workers will quit rather than be threatened by MAGA?
How many more church shootings will be attributed to Donald’s rhetoric? I know that El Paso, Christ’s church, and Pittsburg’s tree of life can be.
Shapiro has over one million more followers than Schumer and is Consistently one of the most watched people of Facebook.
View: https://twitter.com/realdailywire/status/1570874889917063168?s=46&t=twOf470kEr4mP7bzGvIsgA
This guy is the most watched person on cable news
View: https://twitter.com/tuckercarlson/status/1381769779200069632?s=46&t=nh_Q_vKwTSniwEC9o7zk3Q
Democracy is going to struggle with so many influential members of the media, including the former president, fanning the flames of authoritarianism, hate, and conspiracy.
The Thriller
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This is a really good piece from The Atlantic
View: https://twitter.com/mikebarnicle/status/1570909906420789248?s=46&t=bnEQKbHN_hHbIIjWGD0TLg
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Bucknutz
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You don’t? Or if I point this out, will you call it whataboutism?
There is violent rhetoric that has came from both sides. But don’t act like the left doesn’t do it (rhetoric, tribalism and blind loyalty). The left did it for 6 straight years and still continues on after Trump left.
Biden says he would 'beat the hell' out of Trump if in high school | CNN Politics
Former Vice President Joe Biden said he would "beat the hell out of" President Donald Trump if they were in high school over his crude comments about women.
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Democrat Senator Calls For Literal Violence Against Pro-Lifers
'This is a, literally, call to arms in our country,' said Democrat Sen. Mazie Hirono from the Senate floor.
thefederalist.com
https://youtu.be/1mVNWEVESa0
Some of what you linked is legit, some is whataboutism, and some doesn't even support your claim ("taking to the streets" is about protesting, not violence). This isn't a 'both sides do it" issue, one side is definitely more egregious than the other.
Bucknutz
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Which is whataboutism? Because I didn’t change the subject and turn it around on him. I responded to him saying the left doesn’t do rhetoric, blind trust or Tribalism. Which is absolutely false, there has been 6 years of it.
“taking to the streets” and he continues with talking about wide spread civil unrest. Then he tones it down with “protests”. But not all protests are civil.
It is a both sided thing. Does a right side actress hold up a bloody cutoff Biden head. Does a rapper “shoot” Biden in the head. Does the right write plays where they assassinate Biden?
I think this is the “blind trust” that thriller is talking about. The left thinks the left is virtuous, kind and accepting. When in reality they are not. You guys rip Trump and the “maga” crowd every time you can. Your not inclusive. Just look at MV. Just as much as it is a stunt from the right, the left did a stunt when they bussed them off within 24 hours. Not inclusive. They didn’t want to deal with the 48 “problems” on their island oasis, just tell everyone how the right is just like Nazis.
Should we pull up how many times the left screams racism and Nazi’s at the right. Probably just as much as the right calls the left fascists and communists.
If you can’t see that it’s a both side issue, then you’re blind.
Bringing in celebrities, when The Thriller focuses on politicians.
He actually said, "Definitely not good. But thankfully you don’t see hardly any inflammatory rhetoric from the left. When it happens, it’s panned." "Inflammatory" is important in that sentence. Pointing out that it is panned is also important.
There has been heated rhetoric in American politics for all of my life, and centuries before that.
I agree not all protests are civil, but to claim they mean otherwise by "take it to the streets" is to pretend you can read minds.
Are any of these people politicians? Did any of them threaten actual violence, Say, along the lines of Sen. Lindsey Graham saying there will be riots (yes, specifically riots) if Trump is arrested?
They moved the migrants from what was effectively a homeless shelter into dormitory housing, which is very different from "bussing them off". MV residents made sure the migrants had a safe place to live, unlike DeSantis/Abbott. Do you the migrants preferred the shelter?
I see the ratio as something like 2:1 among non-politicians, and 10:1 among politicians. If Democratic politicians were constantly saying Republicans were fascists, there wouldn'thave been such large pretend outrage when Biden said "semi-fascist".
If you think the issue is not much larger to the right than the left, then I probably can't help you. Thanks for the discussion.
The Thriller
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I know some D list celebrity who hasn’t made a movie in a few decades probably said something mean a few years ago. But this happened tonight. He was the former president and the current GOP frontrunner for 2024. Watch it before contributing any more to this thread:
View: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308887248179200?s=46&t=hD7nEgR6mNTCwp-dAZC8EQ
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The Thriller
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Simple questions:
1. Do you believe the rhetoric from LW politicians and media is just as inflammatory or more than that coming from the RW?
2. Do you see a connection between RW inflammatory rhetoric and attacks on our democratic institutions? What is the RW doing to lower the temperature?
3. What role does a former president have in stopping the inflammatory rhetoric? Does he/she have any responsibility?
Bucknutz
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I watched it. What does it have to do with violent rhetoric? It sounds like a normal Trump speech, with background music. What did you want someone to get out of it?
Am I allowed to contribute again to this thread?
PS…look at the rhetoric from Aaron “cult like” and “pass the kool-aid”. Doesn’t seem like he is lowering the temperature.
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Bucknutz
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When? Right now or during 4 years of Trump?
If Brad commits 1st degree murder and Jamie commits 2nd degree murder are they both considered murders?
I don’t see the problem as who is doing it more, because that fluctuates. I see it as both parties are at fault.
Yes, I can see a connection with RW rhetoric when it comes to RW extremists and their actions.
I’m not allowing you to lump all the people on the right together, which your question implies. That includes everyone in the “MAGA” crowd.
Because extremists takes the rhetoric and uses it as a reason to act.
Neither side is doing anything to lower the temperature, so the result is the RW is not lowering the temperature. Someone needs to lower it and politically would be a positive for them.
Depends on the President. Clinton, Obama or Bush has almost no ability to stop the rhetoric going on, since they are not relevant anymore.
Trump has the ability, but he is not going to, since it looks like he is running again. He thinks that it’s going to fire up his base with rhetoric that is not necessary. He could easily rip on the FBI or the left without using inflammatory rhetoric, but doesn’t.
Responsibility for what? If someone acts on the rhetoric? I don’t blame Bernie or anyone else on the left when the James Hodgkinson shot up the republicans at a congressional baseball game. That is an extremist on the left, that acted.
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Pure craziness. That is some culty stuff going on there. He really seems to think america sucks. He should probably leave. Oh and now he seems to care about ukraine? What happened to all that praise for putin? I guess he sees that russia is looking like losers so he is switching sides now because he doesn’t want to be backing up the losing side.
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Bucknutz
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@The Thriller
Simple questions for you now:
1. Do you believe your rhetoric on JF is just as inflammatory or more than that coming from the RW posters? (Examples below)
2. What are you doing to lower the temperature and actually have real debate?
3. What role does a an active poster have in stopping the inflammatory rhetoric? Does he/she have any responsibility in creating hostile forum for people with different views?
Simple questions for you now:
1. Do you believe your rhetoric on JF is just as inflammatory or more than that coming from the RW posters? (Examples below)
2. What are you doing to lower the temperature and actually have real debate?
3. What role does a an active poster have in stopping the inflammatory rhetoric? Does he/she have any responsibility in creating hostile forum for people with different views?
The Thriller
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You literally just proved my point. A speech by the former president and current frontrunner for 2024 endorsing Qanon, spewing lies about the 2020 election, and spreading conspiracy and hate about America and American institutions, has become so widespread on the right that It’s normal to folks like
You.
While the rest of us not caught up in this cult, have this kind of reaction:
Pure craziness.
The Thriller
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For a crowd that claims to not care what others think about them, you sure seem sensitive.
There are conservatives on here who debate things fine with others like me. It seems like Trumpers really a struggle because they have no issues to debate, just blind defense of and for their Orange god king, Trump. Just as I said in the previous post, you’re making my point for me. Trumpers can’t debate issues, only defend and excuse the weak boy who’s angry that his parents never loved him. Sad.
I know you probably hoped to end this debate since you sensed you were losing by reaching out to attack me personally. While I’m flattered that you compare my posting to a message board to the former president, it’s just not even close to the same. Distraction aka whataboutism is a common tactic by Trumpers. So I’ll help ya with that off-ramp, If want to debate further the inflammatory rhetoric in politics, we can continue. If we’re going to drown in pissing matches like these, you can an back onto the block list.
Subject: Trump and the RW media’s rhetoric that is destroying American democracy
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Lastly, I’ll always stand by Trumpers being ignorant, stupid, or lacking in character. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me here. However, I believe that After everything he’s done and said over the past 6 years, one can only still support that man either by being woefully ignorant, incredibly stupid, or severely lacking in character. If you find that inflammatory then perhaps some introspection is necessary? *notice I said Trumpers and not conservatives. This is an important distinction that will probably go over your head.
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