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Trump being trumpy again. Making the Queen of englands death about himself. He believes that Joe Biden and his wife were given poor seats for the funeral in a show of disrespect and that if he were president he would have got a much better seat.
What actually happened was that Bidens car got stuck in traffic and they took the seats available them upon arrival. They just sat down and didn't complain like normal humans.

I can only imagine what would happen if trump showed up and wasn't given the seat he thought he deserved. Probably would have thrown a fit/tantrum and made enemies of our allies.

www.yahoo.com

Trump Makes Queen's Funeral All About Him, Says He Would Have Had Better Seat Than Biden

"LOCATION IS EVERYTHING!!!" wrote the former president, who was not invited to the queen's funeral.
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Al-O-Meter said:
As for the elites crying about being questioned or doubted, eff them. No one should be blindly trusted. Show me an elite who whines about being doubted and I'll show you an elite who is pretending to be more certain that they truly are.
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So, are we better off elevating and promoting the Big Lie and QAnon, because I’m pretty sure the majority of intelligent people reject both as nothing but BS? Both ideas are out there in that free marketplace of ideas. And if people who know better object, just “eff them”? Should states rewrite their school history texts to reflect a belief that both the Big Lie and the QAnon narrative are true? And if noted historians object, “eff them”?

Nobody said, btw, to “blindly trust” anybody. But intelligent people often possess critical thinking skills that they can count on to separate wheat from chaff, fact from fiction. Or at least bring those critical faculties to bear, to the best of their abilities. And authorities are questioned all the time, in their various specialities. It’s called peer review, (although even that has been running into questionable scenarios in recent years, the pressure of publish or perish). So, I’m not sure thinking people just accept authority for authority’s sake as a rule of thumb. (But personal biases can certainly eat into objectivity) A lot of misinformation was spread, including by Trump, regarding Covid 19, and medicines/remedies to treat it. So, when medical authorities said “but this is nonsense”, in so many words, regarding false claims and phony cures, then the correct reply should have been “eff them”? Why? Why say “eff them” to medical elites trying to stamp out the idiotic suggestions?

I guess I’m just at a loss to understand why United States will be far better off elevating Stupidity as some kind of national standard we should aim for, and any “expert elitist” should maybe just move out of the country and find someplace where truth is actually the standard aimed for. I know Americans have had a very pronounced anti-intellectual attitude, dating to the earliest colonial times(intellectuals as such offered no practical skill set in a frontier environment), but from where I stand, as a lifelong observer of the American scene, our willingness now, in these first decades of the 21st century, to simply put, flat out dumb down our country as far as it can be dumbed down, strikes me as most unfortunate.

And alarming. I’m alarmed at the dumbing down of my country, but I will henceforth assume you are fine with this elevation of stupidity.
 
fishonjazz said:
Trump being trumpy again. Making the Queen of englands death about himself. He believes that Joe Biden and his wife were given poor seats for the funeral in a show of disrespect and that if he were president he would have got a much better seat.
What actually happened was that Bidens car got stuck in traffic and they took the seats available them upon arrival. They just sat down and didn't complain like normal humans.

I can only imagine what would happen if trump showed up and wasn't given the seat he thought he deserved. Probably would have thrown a fit/tantrum and made enemies of our allies.

www.yahoo.com

Trump Makes Queen's Funeral All About Him, Says He Would Have Had Better Seat Than Biden

"LOCATION IS EVERYTHING!!!" wrote the former president, who was not invited to the queen's funeral.
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I like how Biden doesn’t have to make everything about himself. I love how he doesn’t have to tweet everyday or make every day his own personal tv show.
 
Bucknutz said:
Who said America is full? I’ve been saying pausing, building correct infrastructure and then limits to what we need.


We will be taking in over 3 million total people this fiscal year. In 2 years at this pace we will take in the total population of El Salvador. 3 years after that, all of Honduras.



We have 11 million jobs open in the US today. We have 6 million unemployed. We add in 3 million people next year and we have more people than jobs available. Including jobs the immigrants can’t qualify for.

Now that we have more people then jobs, please tell me why businesses will raise wages to hire people. They have an abundance of people to choose from and can now pay minimum wages.

With low wages, that can’t help with people suffering from high inflation rates. Which will result in more welfare, from food stamps, health insurance, unemployment.

Where are we going to house 6 million more people? We have issues with low income housing as it is.
www.americanprogress.org

The Rental Housing Crisis Is a Supply Problem That Needs Supply Solutions

Policymakers must prioritize improving housing access and affordability for low-income households through immediate and long-term investments.
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What schools are we going to put all these kids that come over in. I can post hundreds and hundreds or articles about over crowded schools and issues they are in.

What about our energy in the west, where many of these people are living. Water is drying up and running out of power. 6 million more people will put more stress on this infrastructure.

www.unep.org

As the climate dries the American west faces power and water shortages, experts warn

Two of the largest reservoirs in America, which provide water and electricity to millions, are in danger of reaching ‘dead pool status.’ A result of the climate crisis and overconsumption of water, experts say.
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Agreed with limits. 3 million open boarder policies will hurt more than help.
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What makes you think I was posting specifically for you? You’re not the only Trumper, immigration hawk, or xenophobe on the board. I’ve already told you that I’ll only debate if you are honest. I see no sign of this. Why would I waste my time with a troll? So just assume that none of my posts are directed at you.
 
I just wanted to remind everyone that last weekend Trump essentially endorsed Qanon, a terrorist threat according to the FBI and went on a crazy rant full of lies while his followers held up Qanon signs.


View: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308887248179200?s=46&t=g4MDY46xIgUL5-ovAejxxw

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You just don’t see this type of conspiracy, inflammatory rhetoric, and cultish behavior on the left. This is really dangerous to our democracy.
 
The Thriller said:
What makes you think I was posting specifically for you?
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I don’t care who you were posting to, I just responding to the post. That’s what forums are for.

The Thriller said:
You’re not the only Trumper, immigration hawk, or xenophobe on the board.
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Not a Trumper, not an immigration hawk or a xenophobe. 0 for 3. Just a person who uses reason and logic when it comes to problems. Not emotion.

The Thriller said:
I’ve already told you that I’ll only debate if you are honest.
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I have been honest. I post with data, articles and logic. Just because you don’t like the debate and quit, doesn’t make it dishonest.

The Thriller said:
I see no sign of this. Why would I waste my time with a troll?
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Not a troll. But you have no depth and you just post with emotional responses. When someone pushes back you can’t handle it. You call the poster a troll, racist, Trumper or some other weak response.

The Thriller said:
So just assume that none of my posts are directed at you.
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Like I said, I don’t care who they are directed to. If you post in an open forum, then they are directed to anyone who is reading it. Anytime you post something that is a lie, partisan, weak or emotional that I feel I should respond to, I will. I don’t really care if you block me, you do that with anyone who doesn’t share the beliefs. This just shows everyone you have a small fragile ego.
 
Bucknutz said:
When left wing rhetoric turns violent. A left wing terrorist hunts down and kills a teen republican.
Very sad.

www.grandforksherald.com

Police: Driver admitted to intentionally killing teen at North Dakota street dance after political dispute

Court papers say 41-year-old Shannon Brandt confessed to a 911 dispatcher and police that he killed 18-year-old Cayler Ellingson due to a political dispute.
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All murder is sad.

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Red said:
if people who know better object, just “eff them”? ... And if noted historians object, “eff them”? ... when medical authorities said “but this is nonsense”, in so many words, regarding false claims and phony cures, then the correct reply should have been “eff them”?
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Of course not. People who know better, noted historians, and medical authorities should be encouraged to inform the public. The problem is in the "stamping out" part, the establishment of "gate keepers" given the power to control which opinions are able to be voiced. I'm a big believer in the first amendment even if it gives morons the ability to push destructive untruths like Q Anon, the big lie, or the 1619 Project. If elites want to voice informed opinions and have those opinions amplified, that is fine. If elites want power to quash dissent then eff them.

With the idea that elites should function as gate keepers of opinion, would you support a proposal to only give free speech rights to citizens who can pass an aptitude test that proves they've been though your proposed education? Would you have the government issue speech licenses to stifle challenging opinions voiced by non-elites? In this authoritarian hellscape you claim to not want while at the same time posting piece after piece pushing that direction, how do you propose we eliminate people having wrong opinions?
 
Bucknutz said:
I have been honest. I post with data, articles and logic. Just because you don’t like the debate and quit, doesn’t make it dishonest.
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As far as I can tell, I agree that you post in a serious fashion intended discuss and debate with seriousness and accuracy (however much we might disagree on your success rate there ;)). I hope you don't think you are genuinely someone who has done away with passion and perspective in your postings. Not only would that make you inhuman, it would make you less interesting.
 
In regards to the border/immigration issues, trump of course always has the worst and most cruel ideas possible: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...newsntp&cvid=3d904b44da5444049d39f5b0159cb2a9

Miles Taylor, a former DHS chief of staff, is weighing in on the controversy and revealing Trump's take on the situation. Per the news outlet, Taylor recalled how Trump "once took the idea of shipping migrants north to the next level."

Taylor noted that in 2019 Trump instructed officials to transport immigrants to blue cities and states across the country, he also emphasized that the former president had specific instructions.

Speaking about the situation during an appearance on CNN, Taylor elaborated.

“He wanted us to identify the murderers, the rapists, and the criminals and in particular, make sure we did not incarcerate them, and we put them in those cities,” Taylor said during the news broadcast. “It doesn’t take a lawyer or genius to recognize that this would likely be illegal to do.”
 
The Thriller said:
This is pretty harrowing.


View: https://twitter.com/timodc/status/1572704290766192641?s=46&t=_HGRBVRP1IVlA7YWh3D0fw

I mean, I know Johnny Depp said something a few years ago, AOC triggered someone, paying a few more bucks in gas is annoying, and Democrats don’t have all the answers to every problem, but one entire political party wants to guarantee wins politically AND make any crime legal for their leader to commit.
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Wow, very misleading here Thriller. You do know the Senate has the original version of the Electoral Count act and it is co sponsored by a Republican and a Democrat. It also has more than enough Republican support to pass the “Filibuster”.

They knew passing this bill was going no where in the Senate. Why is that?

rollcall.com

Jan. 6 committee-led elections bill passes House, but has an uncertain Senate future - Roll Call

Lawmakers in both chambers are hoping to update the Electoral Count Act of 1887, but can’t agree on how — and time is slipping away.
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“A Senate aide close to negotiations on the chamber’s bill said the most fundamental issue between the two pieces of legislation focuses on how lawsuits can be taken up in federal courts.

“This was the hardest issue for the bipartisan Senate group to resolve,” said the aide, who requested anonymity to speak freely about the group’s thinking.

The Senate’s provision uses existing state and federal remedies to resolve election disputes, while the House bill creates four new ways to sue in federal courts, the aide said. “That’s a nonstarter with Senate Republicans.”

4 new ways to sue in the partisan courts. Sounds like a nightmare. You think the Republicans would love to sue using extra options, if a Democrat won? Taking it to a Trump appointed Judge? I do.
 
Bucknutz said:
Wow, very misleading here Thriller. You do know the Senate has the original version of the Electoral Count act and it is co sponsored by a Republican and a Democrat. It also has more than enough Republican support to pass the “Filibuster”.

They knew passing this bill was going no where in the Senate. Why is that?

rollcall.com

Jan. 6 committee-led elections bill passes House, but has an uncertain Senate future - Roll Call

Lawmakers in both chambers are hoping to update the Electoral Count Act of 1887, but can’t agree on how — and time is slipping away.
rollcall.com rollcall.com

“A Senate aide close to negotiations on the chamber’s bill said the most fundamental issue between the two pieces of legislation focuses on how lawsuits can be taken up in federal courts.

“This was the hardest issue for the bipartisan Senate group to resolve,” said the aide, who requested anonymity to speak freely about the group’s thinking.

The Senate’s provision uses existing state and federal remedies to resolve election disputes, while the House bill creates four new ways to sue in federal courts, the aide said. “That’s a nonstarter with Senate Republicans.”

4 new ways to sue in the partisan courts. Sounds like a nightmare. You think the Republicans would love to sue using extra options, if a Democrat won? Taking it to a Trump appointed Judge? I do.
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Tell me you don’t follow politics without telling me you don’t follow politics.

The House and Senate often work on different pieces of legislation that deals with the same issue. That way they can be amended later.

The main issue, which you conveniently left out, is the vast majority of House Republicans voted against this. The majority of Republicans in the Senate will most likely vote against their own version too. True, it’s looking like they’ll have enough votes for the filibuster to not be enacted.

But it’s telling that the majority of Republicans don’t want to amend the ECA to prevent another Jan 6.

Why is that?
 
This isn’t going to end well. It’s going to get someone hurt or killed. It’s this kind of rhetoric that inspires shootings like we’ve seen in El Paso, Christ’s Church, Pittsburg, Jan 6, and countless school board meetings.

This kind of rhetoric is just so dangerous.


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The Thriller said:
This isn’t going to end well. It’s going to get someone hurt or killed. It’s this kind of rhetoric that inspires shootings like we’ve seen in El Paso, Christ’s Church, Pittsburg, Jan 6, and countless school board meetings.

This kind of rhetoric is just so dangerous.


View: https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1572766051573829632?s=46&t=nTyDGuSTw9zPVSKb-e9AKQ



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Wow. Deplorable
 
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