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Al-O-Meter

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The fact that we are a republic does not seem to eliminate this tendency
There are no guarantees but the fact that we are a republic has already saved the United States government from sliding into authoritarianism at least once. If not for the guardrails set up at the founding, the United States and most of the world would be controlled by dictators.

By far the greatest populist ever to take control of the United States was FDR, and if the Supreme Court had not struck down FDR's NIRA for overstepping the guardrails then we would have gone the same way as Italy, Germany, Russia, etc. And if we would have gone, then the world would have gone.

As for the elites crying about being questioned or doubted, eff them. No one should be blindly trusted. Show me an elite who whines about being doubted and I'll show you an elite who is pretending to be more certain that they truly are.
 


One Brow

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So, you’re saying that MV shouldn’t help with migrants because they were staying at a church. But you expect Texas, California to keep them in the street.
They were kicked out. If they weren’t, out of the 48, why didn’t even 1 person get to stay?
"Get to stay"? Again, how many of the migrants do you think would have preferred a (basement?) shelter to their own dormatory room?

That has been going on for years, yet only 1.9 million came over the boarder in 4 years. It’s at 3.3 million in the last 2 years. Something changed.
The pace of the social breakdown is increasing.

Just the other day you said it was criminals. But you don’t supply any facts.
1) I'm not convinced the facts matter to you here; it seems to me that you just don't want the refugees.
2) The facts are easy enough to find, if you do care.

There it is, the left implying someone is a racist for wanting limits on immigration. It never fails.
I didn't mention race at all. That's where your mind went. I did say "where you can't see them", much like we treat our own homeless.

So America is the only country that should take on all immigrants without limits. Gotcha, no other country can take care of people, including their own country.
I didn't say "only", but we have more excess than any other country.

We just have so much to share. We can’t even take care of our own.
We can, we just choose not to.

Look at my history, I post articles from the left, middle and right. That’s why I’m a centrist. I don’t post from brietbart or Enoch times or other crazy right wing sites. But I do post from Vox and the Atlantic which is on the left.
You seem to think that disputes what I said. Humans interpret while they read, which is why you and I can read an article from Vox or FAIR and take away very different things.

Oh, so you want to pay for college housing now as well.
I thought your point was largely correct, to be clear, if one-sided.

Still, assuming we wouldn't want to pay to put a 4-year university within a 3 miles of every person in the US, students will either need cars or a place to live. Anyways, that's well off-topic.
 

One Brow

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By far the greatest populist ever to take control of the United States was FDR, and if the Supreme Court had not struck down FDR's NIRA for overstepping the guardrails then we would have gone the same way as Italy, Germany, Russia, etc. And if we would have gone, then the world would have gone.

The passage of NIRA ushered in a unique experiment in U.S. economic history – the NIRA sanctioned, supported, and in some cases, enforced an alliance of industries. Antitrust laws were suspended, and companies were required to write industry-wide "codes of fair competition" that effectively fixed prices and wages, established production quotas, and imposed restrictions on entry of other companies into the alliances.

The act further called for industrial self-regulation and declared that codes of fair competition – for the protection of consumers, competitors, and employers – were to be drafted for the various industries of the country and were to be subject to public hearings. Employees were given the right to organize and bargain collectively and could not be required, as a condition of employment, to join or refrain from joining a labor organization.
Doesn't seem much like fascism or socialism. It sounds like corporatism.
 

Bucknutz

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Who said America is full? I’ve been saying pausing, building correct infrastructure and then limits to what we need.

We’re already seeing the negative effects in many respects of the labor shortage. In the near future, we may regret not accepting as many immigrants and asylum seekers as we could have.
We will be taking in over 3 million total people this fiscal year. In 2 years at this pace we will take in the total population of El Salvador. 3 years after that, all of Honduras.


Economically, it’s been one of our greatest advantages over other competing economies over the past century.
We have 11 million jobs open in the US today. We have 6 million unemployed. We add in 3 million people next year and we have more people than jobs available. Including jobs the immigrants can’t qualify for.

Now that we have more people then jobs, please tell me why businesses will raise wages to hire people. They have an abundance of people to choose from and can now pay minimum wages.

With low wages, that can’t help with people suffering from high inflation rates. Which will result in more welfare, from food stamps, health insurance, unemployment.

Where are we going to house 6 million more people? We have issues with low income housing as it is.

What schools are we going to put all these kids that come over in. I can post hundreds and hundreds or articles about over crowded schools and issues they are in.

What about our energy in the west, where many of these people are living. Water is drying up and running out of power. 6 million more people will put more stress on this infrastructure.

Human rights, morality, and economics should guide our immigration policy, not protectionism and xenophobia.
Agreed with limits. 3 million open boarder policies will hurt more than help.
 

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Trump being trumpy again. Making the Queen of englands death about himself. He believes that Joe Biden and his wife were given poor seats for the funeral in a show of disrespect and that if he were president he would have got a much better seat.
What actually happened was that Bidens car got stuck in traffic and they took the seats available them upon arrival. They just sat down and didn't complain like normal humans.

I can only imagine what would happen if trump showed up and wasn't given the seat he thought he deserved. Probably would have thrown a fit/tantrum and made enemies of our allies.

 

Red

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As for the elites crying about being questioned or doubted, eff them. No one should be blindly trusted. Show me an elite who whines about being doubted and I'll show you an elite who is pretending to be more certain that they truly are.
So, are we better off elevating and promoting the Big Lie and QAnon, because I’m pretty sure the majority of intelligent people reject both as nothing but BS? Both ideas are out there in that free marketplace of ideas. And if people who know better object, just “eff them”? Should states rewrite their school history texts to reflect a belief that both the Big Lie and the QAnon narrative are true? And if noted historians object, “eff them”?

Nobody said, btw, to “blindly trust” anybody. But intelligent people often possess critical thinking skills that they can count on to separate wheat from chaff, fact from fiction. Or at least bring those critical faculties to bear, to the best of their abilities. And authorities are questioned all the time, in their various specialities. It’s called peer review, (although even that has been running into questionable scenarios in recent years, the pressure of publish or perish). So, I’m not sure thinking people just accept authority for authority’s sake as a rule of thumb. (But personal biases can certainly eat into objectivity) A lot of misinformation was spread, including by Trump, regarding Covid 19, and medicines/remedies to treat it. So, when medical authorities said “but this is nonsense”, in so many words, regarding false claims and phony cures, then the correct reply should have been “eff them”? Why? Why say “eff them” to medical elites trying to stamp out the idiotic suggestions?

I guess I’m just at a loss to understand why United States will be far better off elevating Stupidity as some kind of national standard we should aim for, and any “expert elitist” should maybe just move out of the country and find someplace where truth is actually the standard aimed for. I know Americans have had a very pronounced anti-intellectual attitude, dating to the earliest colonial times(intellectuals as such offered no practical skill set in a frontier environment), but from where I stand, as a lifelong observer of the American scene, our willingness now, in these first decades of the 21st century, to simply put, flat out dumb down our country as far as it can be dumbed down, strikes me as most unfortunate.

And alarming. I’m alarmed at the dumbing down of my country, but I will henceforth assume you are fine with this elevation of stupidity.
 

The Thriller

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Trump being trumpy again. Making the Queen of englands death about himself. He believes that Joe Biden and his wife were given poor seats for the funeral in a show of disrespect and that if he were president he would have got a much better seat.
What actually happened was that Bidens car got stuck in traffic and they took the seats available them upon arrival. They just sat down and didn't complain like normal humans.

I can only imagine what would happen if trump showed up and wasn't given the seat he thought he deserved. Probably would have thrown a fit/tantrum and made enemies of our allies.

I like how Biden doesn’t have to make everything about himself. I love how he doesn’t have to tweet everyday or make every day his own personal tv show.
 

The Thriller

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Who said America is full? I’ve been saying pausing, building correct infrastructure and then limits to what we need.


We will be taking in over 3 million total people this fiscal year. In 2 years at this pace we will take in the total population of El Salvador. 3 years after that, all of Honduras.



We have 11 million jobs open in the US today. We have 6 million unemployed. We add in 3 million people next year and we have more people than jobs available. Including jobs the immigrants can’t qualify for.

Now that we have more people then jobs, please tell me why businesses will raise wages to hire people. They have an abundance of people to choose from and can now pay minimum wages.

With low wages, that can’t help with people suffering from high inflation rates. Which will result in more welfare, from food stamps, health insurance, unemployment.

Where are we going to house 6 million more people? We have issues with low income housing as it is.

What schools are we going to put all these kids that come over in. I can post hundreds and hundreds or articles about over crowded schools and issues they are in.

What about our energy in the west, where many of these people are living. Water is drying up and running out of power. 6 million more people will put more stress on this infrastructure.


Agreed with limits. 3 million open boarder policies will hurt more than help.
What makes you think I was posting specifically for you? You’re not the only Trumper, immigration hawk, or xenophobe on the board. I’ve already told you that I’ll only debate if you are honest. I see no sign of this. Why would I waste my time with a troll? So just assume that none of my posts are directed at you.
 

The Thriller

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I just wanted to remind everyone that last weekend Trump essentially endorsed Qanon, a terrorist threat according to the FBI and went on a crazy rant full of lies while his followers held up Qanon signs.


View: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308887248179200?s=46&t=g4MDY46xIgUL5-ovAejxxw

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View: https://twitter.com/deadlinewh/status/1572365098773278720?s=46&t=g4MDY46xIgUL5-ovAejxxw


You just don’t see this type of conspiracy, inflammatory rhetoric, and cultish behavior on the left. This is really dangerous to our democracy.
 

Bucknutz

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What makes you think I was posting specifically for you?
I don’t care who you were posting to, I just responding to the post. That’s what forums are for.

You’re not the only Trumper, immigration hawk, or xenophobe on the board.
Not a Trumper, not an immigration hawk or a xenophobe. 0 for 3. Just a person who uses reason and logic when it comes to problems. Not emotion.

I’ve already told you that I’ll only debate if you are honest.
I have been honest. I post with data, articles and logic. Just because you don’t like the debate and quit, doesn’t make it dishonest.

I see no sign of this. Why would I waste my time with a troll?
Not a troll. But you have no depth and you just post with emotional responses. When someone pushes back you can’t handle it. You call the poster a troll, racist, Trumper or some other weak response.

So just assume that none of my posts are directed at you.
Like I said, I don’t care who they are directed to. If you post in an open forum, then they are directed to anyone who is reading it. Anytime you post something that is a lie, partisan, weak or emotional that I feel I should respond to, I will. I don’t really care if you block me, you do that with anyone who doesn’t share the beliefs. This just shows everyone you have a small fragile ego.
 


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