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This is exactly what I mean by how authoritarian and dangerous DeSantis is to our democracy.
View: https://twitter.com/robertmaguire_/status/1581299950218252288?s=46&t=jxeKHwyK8vwnNcGGsplFpA
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Bucknutz
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More lies from Mr. Left Wing Hyperbole.
Do you know much about Florida, Thriller? Do you know what counties got hit directly by Ian?
Lets look at Republican counties that are experiencing flooding from Ian:
Lake County: 61/39 Split for Republicans
Lake County facing historic flooding following Hurricane Ian
Hurricane Ian broke the record for flooding in Astor, a record that dates back to 1933.
www.wesh.com
They were not included in this executive order
Volusia County: 56/44 Slit for Republicans
Volusia County faces continued threat of flooding more than a week after Hurricane Ian as governor praises Floridians' resiliency | CNN
Volusia County on the Atlantic coast of Florida faces the continued threat of flooding more than a week after Hurricane Ian ripped through the state.
www.cnn.com
They were not included in this executive order
DeSoto County: 56/44 Slit for Republicans
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For flooded inland Florida, Hurricane Ian saved the worst for last
Hurricane Ian carried a one-two punch for the inland Florida city of Arcadia and its surrounding county.
www.reuters.com
I bet you can guess it...they were not included in this executive order
Seminole County 51/49 Split for Republicans
Lack of flood insurance in hard-hit Central Florida leaves families struggling after Hurricane Ian | CNN
When Amanda Trompeta was woken up by her dog barking early last Thursday morning, she assumed he was just frightened by Hurricane Ian. But then she got out of bed -- and found herself standing ankle-deep in floodwater.
www.cnn.com
Once again, not included in this executive order
Hardee County 64/36 Split for Republicans
Highlands County 65/35 Split for Republicans
Historic flooding hinders recovery efforts in rural Florida counties
In the aftermath of Hurricane Ian, swaths of standing water are creating access issues in rural Highlands, Hardee and DeSoto counties.
wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu
What counties were included in the executive order?
I even marked a map for you, just to show you that you have no depth and you just post ********.
3 counties in light blue...direct hit by Ian
5 Counties crossed out in red - republican majority counties that didn't fall under the executive order
1 County crossed out in Blue - the 1 democratic county that didn't call under the executive order
The other counties that I didn't mark in the surrounding area
Polk - Republican
Manatee - Republican
Osceola - Democratic
Glades - Republican
Hendry - Republican
Very authoritarian @The Thriller. Just scare porn posts, that do not back up your theory.
Try harder.
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LOLMore lies from Mr. Left Wing Hyperbole.
Do you know much about Florida, Thriller? Do you know what counties got hit directly by Ian?
Lets look at Republican counties that are experiencing flooding from Ian:
Lake County: 61/39 Split for Republicans
Lake County facing historic flooding following Hurricane Ian
Hurricane Ian broke the record for flooding in Astor, a record that dates back to 1933.
They were not included in this executive order
Volusia County: 56/44 Slit for Republicans
Volusia County faces continued threat of flooding more than a week after Hurricane Ian as governor praises Floridians' resiliency | CNN
Volusia County on the Atlantic coast of Florida faces the continued threat of flooding more than a week after Hurricane Ian ripped through the state.
They were not included in this executive order
DeSoto County: 56/44 Slit for Republicans
For flooded inland Florida, Hurricane Ian saved the worst for last
Hurricane Ian carried a one-two punch for the inland Florida city of Arcadia and its surrounding county.
I bet you can guess it...they were not included in this executive order
Seminole County 51/49 Split for Republicans
Lack of flood insurance in hard-hit Central Florida leaves families struggling after Hurricane Ian | CNN
When Amanda Trompeta was woken up by her dog barking early last Thursday morning, she assumed he was just frightened by Hurricane Ian. But then she got out of bed -- and found herself standing ankle-deep in floodwater.
Once again, not included in this executive order
Hardee County 64/36 Split for Republicans
Highlands County 65/35 Split for Republicans
Historic flooding hinders recovery efforts in rural Florida counties
In the aftermath of Hurricane Ian, swaths of standing water are creating access issues in rural Highlands, Hardee and DeSoto counties.
What counties were included in the executive order?
I even marked a map for you, just to show you that you have no depth and you just post ********.
3 counties in light blue...direct hit by Ian
5 Counties crossed out in red - republican majority counties that didn't fall under the executive order
1 County crossed out in Blue - the 1 democratic county that didn't call under the executive order
The other counties that I didn't mark in the surrounding area
Polk - Republican
Manatee - Republican
Osceola - Democratic
Glades - Republican
Hendry - Republican
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Very authoritarian @The Thriller. Just scare porn posts, that do not back up your theory.
Try harder.
You realize that the five Republican counties that you randomly selected/marked (what was the criteria for that again?) that weren't included in the executive order are sparsely populated?
Just one of the three Republican counties that benefitted from the executive order, Lee county, has more population than the five others combined.
And the one Democratic county that the article was about and that wasn’t included in the executive order, Orange County, has a higher population than the eight Republican ones…
COMBINED.
But certainly you already knew this since you’re an honest poster of great depth. If it makes you feel any better, this isn’t the only attempt the Republicans in Florida have made to suppress Democratic votes. Making it harder for your political opponents to vote is quite authoritarian, as you most surely agree with, right? Don’t expect an honest answer nor do I really want to continue to engage with you.
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View: https://youtu.be/vo8t86Fi2JQ
Great video that explains a lot. Talks a lot of **** on the Republicans but also talks some (accurate) **** on the Democrats.
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I usually can't stand Bill Maher but in this one he got it pretty correct. It's a little like Anthony Bourdain's piece on why Trump got elected in the first place. The democrat part. Can you be so inclusive that you are also very exclusive? Tough question.
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MAGA is the most effeminate group out there. They claim to be all in on masculinity but… LOL. This is what they consider to be masculine?
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Uh oh, for those out there that thinks the justice system is being all weaponized by the dems and is out to get the republicans, dont read this:
www.yahoo.com
In before "but the media is also controlled by the dems so cant believe anything you read"
“I literally had to explain to an agent from a ‘blue state’ office the difference between opportunists burning and looting during protests that stemmed legitimate grievance to police brutality vs. an insurgent mob whose purpose was to prevent the execution of democratic processes at the behest of a sitting president,”
USA TODAY reported last month, the FBI itself has also been heavily criticized for directing domestic extremism investigations overwhelmingly towards left-wing targets.
The FBI has a long and troubled history of focusing on groups on the left of the political spectrum while largely turning a blind eye to domestic extremists on the far-right, Matthew Guariglia, a policy analyst at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told USA TODAY.
“Both historically speaking and in current events, we've seen the amount of surveillance that has been marshaled specifically against groups fighting for racial justice increased exponentially than from what we've seen being monitored on the right,” said Guariglia, who holds a doctorate in the history of police surveillance.
Beirich said given the conservative nature of law enforcement, there is bound to be some "overlap" into far-right extremism within the ranks. The biggest problem is a lack of action taken by departments to root out extremists on the payroll, she said.
As FBI probed Jan. 6, many agents sympathized with insurrection, according to newly released email
"I literally had to explain to an agent" the difference between Black Lives Matter police protests and the insurrection, email warns.
In before "but the media is also controlled by the dems so cant believe anything you read"
“I literally had to explain to an agent from a ‘blue state’ office the difference between opportunists burning and looting during protests that stemmed legitimate grievance to police brutality vs. an insurgent mob whose purpose was to prevent the execution of democratic processes at the behest of a sitting president,”
USA TODAY reported last month, the FBI itself has also been heavily criticized for directing domestic extremism investigations overwhelmingly towards left-wing targets.
The FBI has a long and troubled history of focusing on groups on the left of the political spectrum while largely turning a blind eye to domestic extremists on the far-right, Matthew Guariglia, a policy analyst at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told USA TODAY.
“Both historically speaking and in current events, we've seen the amount of surveillance that has been marshaled specifically against groups fighting for racial justice increased exponentially than from what we've seen being monitored on the right,” said Guariglia, who holds a doctorate in the history of police surveillance.
Beirich said given the conservative nature of law enforcement, there is bound to be some "overlap" into far-right extremism within the ranks. The biggest problem is a lack of action taken by departments to root out extremists on the payroll, she said.
Bucknutz
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Criteria - flooding. From you article that you posted:
"Meanwhile, Orange county, a Democratic-leaning area which experienced historic flooding from the storm, received no voting exceptions, reported the Washington Post."
3 counties I posted about first
Seminole County - 467,000 people
Lake County - 384,000 people
Volusia County - 554,000 people
3 County Total - 1,405,000 people
3 other counties I posted about
Desoto County - 34,000 people
Hardee County - 25,000 people
Highlands County - 101,000 people
3 County Total - 160,000
6 County Total - 1,565,000
@The Thriller do you consider these counties sparsely populated? You have a case of 2 of the 6.
Orange County - 1,430,000 people
1. Lee County - 761,000 people
2. Charlotte County - 187,000 people
3. Sarasota County - 434,000 people
Total Population - 1,382,000 people
If you do the math right 1,565,000 > 761,000
I think you are a bit off here.
Orange County - 1,430,000 people
Republican Counties - 2,947,000 people
Once again, I think you are off here.
Please make "Combined" font even bolder and larger, for more dramatic effect.
This is why I attach facts to my posts. You post garbage to scare people because you know they will not look up the details. This is why you have no depth. If you just did a bit of research, you would know exactly why Orange County would not fall under this executive order. Its for the same reasons the other 6 republican counties that had major flooding did not fall under it as well.
Lets take a look at Orange County during Ian (Category 1 Hurricane when it hit)
Schools Reopen - October 4th - 1 school had partial flooding a reopened on Oct 6th. - https://www.wftv.com/news/local/cen...ter-hurricane-ian/4MYSZGO2LBF3LO35QPAIA6MF7A/
Disney World - Reopened 2 days later - https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2022/09/29/disney-world-reopen-hurricane-ian/
Power - 99% restored by October 2 - https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/t...e-ian-heres-what-florida-power-and-light-says
Lets look at Lee County (Category 4 Hurricane when it hit)
Schools Reopen - 62% of schools by next week will be reopened - https://www.news-press.com/story/ne...chools-start-reopening-next-week/10490725002/
Tourism - Parks, Beaches and Boat ramps all closed - https://www.fortmyersbeachtalk.com/...offices-some-sites-reopen-post-hurricane-ian/
Power - 91% by October 7th - https://www.news-press.com/story/ne...es-cape-coral-sanibel-pine-island/8233569001/
So if you were being honest, you can see Lee and Orange were hit differently. If you were being honest you would say that this executive order served the people who were hit the hardest. Its not about politics.
If you really want to see Orange County compared to Lee County, come on down. We could use your help. We will be going down to Lee almost every weekend to help clear trees, tarping roofs and cleaning up debris.
Bucknutz
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I see you already edited this link and the rest of the post off. Was it because we had this discussion before?
Here was our past conversation about it.
atlantadailyworld.com
“Up-to-date adult literacy data, especially broken down into race and ethnicity demographics, is hard to come by. A 2019 report from the National Center for Education Statistics, which cited data from 2012 and 2014, found that 23% of Black adults in the country were considered to be low literacy, compared to 35% of white adults and 34% of Hispanic adults.”
It seems like more white adults are considered “low literacy” than black adults.
Thriller trying to play the race card.
Only 2 type of felons… Murder and Sexual. Once again you didn’t say anything about gun rights for these felons. I mean, if they paid their debt to society for 20 years, they should have the 2A right back. Or do you want to restrict rights that you don’t like.
I don’t live in the other Countries. They have different cultures and history than the USA. So why would it matter if Luxembourg has laws that differ from the USA. We are not the same country.
There it is, the race card again. Former felons who are murderers and sexual predators.
Let’s see:
www.rainn.org
57% are white. 27% are black. Doesn’t work for sexual predators
Arrests by offense, age, and race
Murders yep… 51% to 46% not by much
So no, it doesn’t effect black or brown persons more.
Why do you say this? Where can you provide the data for this statement? They voted on this:
“Amendment 4 was designed to automatically restore the right to vote for people with prior felony convictions, except those convicted of murder or a felony sexual offense, upon completion of their sentences, including prison, parole, and probation.”
That’s exactly what they voted on.
Again with the race card. No facts, just race card. Also “Trump”. Because everything you don’t like is because of Race or Trump. Just sad.
Here was our past conversation about it.
It’s not. It’s following basic rules. There are 2 types of felons not allowed to vote in Florida. Sexual and Murder. Clearly states this. Lack of reading skills is not by race but by poverty.
Boosting Adult Literacy Rates in the Black Community | Atlanta Daily World
Libraries and community volunteers are leading the effort to bring reading, writing, and math skills to the one-fourth of Black adults who are considered low literacy. by Maya Pottiger March 10, 2022 While at the library making copies one day in 2018, Gregory Hill looked up and saw a sign...atlantadailyworld.com
“Up-to-date adult literacy data, especially broken down into race and ethnicity demographics, is hard to come by. A 2019 report from the National Center for Education Statistics, which cited data from 2012 and 2014, found that 23% of Black adults in the country were considered to be low literacy, compared to 35% of white adults and 34% of Hispanic adults.”
It seems like more white adults are considered “low literacy” than black adults.
Thriller trying to play the race card.
Only 2 type of felons… Murder and Sexual. Once again you didn’t say anything about gun rights for these felons. I mean, if they paid their debt to society for 20 years, they should have the 2A right back. Or do you want to restrict rights that you don’t like.
I don’t live in the other Countries. They have different cultures and history than the USA. So why would it matter if Luxembourg has laws that differ from the USA. We are not the same country.
There it is, the race card again. Former felons who are murderers and sexual predators.
Let’s see:
Perpetrators of Sexual Violence: Statistics | RAINN
Three out of four rapes are committed by someone known to the victim.57% are white. 27% are black. Doesn’t work for sexual predators
Arrests by offense, age, and race
Murders yep… 51% to 46% not by much
So no, it doesn’t effect black or brown persons more.
Why do you say this? Where can you provide the data for this statement? They voted on this:
“Amendment 4 was designed to automatically restore the right to vote for people with prior felony convictions, except those convicted of murder or a felony sexual offense, upon completion of their sentences, including prison, parole, and probation.”
That’s exactly what they voted on.
Again with the race card. No facts, just race card. Also “Trump”. Because everything you don’t like is because of Race or Trump. Just sad.
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Okay let’s clarify some things here (I’m already regretting this)
It’s hard to follow you since I looked up the 3 red counties (Sarasota, Charlotte, and Lee) directly hit on the map you provided and were cited by the article as being included in the executive order. By your own numbers, these 3 counties COMBINED have a population of: 1,382,000
Orange County, the Democratic county not included in the executive order has a population that according to your own numbers of: 1,430,000.
1,430,000 > 1,382,000
And we don’t see a problem with that? It disproportionately hurts Democrats and helps Republicans.
Then, you randomly found 5 red counties suffering from flooding and marked them on the map. These 5 counties weren’t part of the executive order. Okay. So the 5 red counties according to your own numbers (Lake, Volusia, Hardee, DeSoto, Highlands) have a combined population of:
1,101,000 people.
1,430,000 > 1,101,000. Which is also less than the population of the 3 red counties that were included in the executive order. So including 5 more probably would’ve been overkill, don’t you think? DeSantis just needs to give his team an advantage, not blow out the competition and bring about unnecessary attention/lawsuits, right?
I didn’t include seminole county since you didn’t include it on the map/find a map with it on it. So that’s 8 counties total.
Now I’m open to reconsider if the 3 red counties (Sarasota, Charlotte, and Lee) really were the most devastated areas. But are they? You haven’t even made that claim. You’ve claimed that other areas are also flooded. So it does make it look like DeSantis is exploiting this to help some of the most high populated Republican countries. And let’s be honest, your amoral governor has a thing for exploiting people suffering in horrible circumstances for his own political advantage. It’s sort of his MO, whether we’re talking about hurting the LGBT community or asylum seekers, Right? So it isn’t exactly surprising if your Gov sought to exploit this hurricane in order to play politics in a year he’s up for re-election, right? Again, I’m open to reconsider. But the original article seemed pretty damning.
Authoritarian governments of illiberal democracies don’t overtly disrupt elections. They’re not going to just blow things out of proportion by making it easier for their own to vote spread across 8+ counties. They’re more subtle, like making it harder for 1.4 million in one of the few counties where their political opponents reside to vote while making it easier for 1.3 million of their own in 3 counties.
Again, if you’re having to include 8+ Republican counties to 1 Democratic county as a sign of “See see! We’re not playing politics” I’ll give you a hint, you probably are.
As far as hurricane relief, you decided to live there. I guess living in Florida has pros and cons, right? God bless you and your recovery. And isn’t it nice to have a president and a congress who’ll offer much needed relief without demanding you kiss the ring (lost track of how many times Dump did this) or go on some crusade about government spending, like republicans did after Sandy?
Natural disasters have a way of putting things in perspective right? Hopefully you keep the importance and value of life in mind the next time your governor Sends a bunch of poor asylum seekers to some random blue state without coordinating with that particular blue state. I just want people to be treated right. Human life is precious and natural disasters have a way of reminding us about what’s important in life. It’s again why it’s so important to elect moral leaders who actually want to govern, not just throw bombs, get onto Fox News, or turn their time in leadership into a reality tv show.
But god bless you. Thoughts and prayers for your recovery. I wish you all the best of luck.
I deleted the link to the felon issue because it made no sense to declare that I didn’t want to debate further while posting that. Im not one Brow and don’t enjoy wasting time arguing with people who just enjoy arguing and aren’t open to anything other than their own POV so again, I’ll bow out of this conversation, for good this time.
Once again, good luck with your hurrican recovery.
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Bucknutz
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No. You are trying to make a case that DeSantis is authoritarian because Orange County didn’t get some extended voting options because they are Democrats.
The real reason Orange County had major isolated flooding in about 4-5 small areas. Yet the whole county was back to normal in less than 5 days.
The 3 counties on the coast actually got destroyed and they are still not back to normal.
But you can’t see the difference. Your left wing POV will not allow that to happen.
They are not random counties. They were in the hurricane path, that caused major isolated flooding.
Tell me Thriller, what did DeSantis do to make it harder for Orange County to vote? Please be specific? The county that was back to normal in 5 days.
I don’t know what more I can do, to explain to you it wasn’t based of politics. The left tried to go after him, to play politics. And you fell for it.
Thanks but I’m good. Nothing to recover from. In Hillsborough county we had isolated flooding and we were right back to normal in 5 days, just like Orange County.
Probably a good call.
This is you. You are not open to anything but your point of view. This is why I respond to your posts. You are so blinded by the left propaganda twitter posters and you can’t see what really is happening.
Come down, I promise you will be able to see the difference in Counties.