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good post.
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Douchebag K
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Not sure what this is worth, but it’s most recent.
COVID-19 Origins: Investigating a “Complex and Grave Situation” Inside a Wuhan Lab
The Wuhan lab at the center of suspicions about the pandemic’s onset was far more troubled than known, documents unearthed by a Senate team reveal. Tracing the evidence, Vanity Fair and ProPublica give the clearest view yet of a biocomplex in crisis.www.propublica.org
Senate report suggesting the evidence most likely points to the Wuhan lab leak theory.
You leaked out of a lab.
Douchebag K
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Dude I’ve got spike proteins in places you couldn’t imagine
Red
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Yes, the ProPublica/Vanity Fair report I posted traced and examined the evidence developed by that Senate Report. We might bear in mind that the ProPublica/Vanity Fair report ended with this short statement:
Clarification, Oct. 28, 2022: This story has been updated to clarify that Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona, said two recent papers by him and his colleagues established that “a natural zoonotic origin is the only plausible scenario for the origin of the pandemic.”
This appears to be the July, 2022 paper with Worobey as lead author:
And the second paper mentioned, also from July, 2022:
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Keefe
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Great post. The left is so close-minded and unwilling to listen to oftentimes logical, fair points the right makes at times. Which is ironic. Because that was a huge fault of the right for decades. Still is too I guess. But now the left is doing that same ****. Sad.
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One Brow
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There are five or so other conservatives I wish had his tolerance, whose viewpoints I valued even when disagreeing with them. I should have been more clear on that back when they were regulars.
-rador retriever?
Whats that mean when its at home?
Archie Moses
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My uncle died unexpectedly in his recliner on Thursday. My dad told me last night that they're not going to do an autopsy and his death is from natural causes which seems weird to me. I thought autopsies were done when the death has questions or is unclear. I talked to my dad some more about what he thought and he really doesn't know. We discussed Covid being a possibility and then a little bit about how it seems to be going around more with people we know.
After the discussion I thought about my mom's death in 2020 and all the questions I had, still have but was never answered because of my family telling me to let it go and not look more into it. They basically told me it was her time to go while I was asking to know how her health care management, or mismanagement, was a possible factor in her death. Basically, I wanted to know if it was preventable.
After the discussion I thought about my mom's death in 2020 and all the questions I had, still have but was never answered because of my family telling me to let it go and not look more into it. They basically told me it was her time to go while I was asking to know how her health care management, or mismanagement, was a possible factor in her death. Basically, I wanted to know if it was preventable.
Keefe
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Wait? What? Your mom passed away a couple years ago? I’m so sorry brotha. Is this the nice lady I followed on FB if I recall correctly? I think you said she was a bit wacky.
Anyway, yeah **** that noise about letting things be. When my brother committed suicide (with his girlfriend at the time present), I wanted to make sure it was just that. Suicide. I wasn’t anxious or paranoid or anything like that. I wanted facts and to know things were certain. So I contacted the cornerer, got a copy of his report, wanted to make sure gunpowder residue was on his hands, etc. Cause frankly I didn’t know his young Asian gf and who knows what could’ve really happened. But based on all the science, I felt comfortable and still do knowing what I thought occurred was actually what did occur. No regrets. I remember my dad before I contacted the coroner saying, “What if he didn’t do it and Jen had something to do with it? Think about how that would affect your mom,” or something. I was blown away and not in a good way by my dad who was always to that day and since a “brave” man, and my basic retort was, “idgaf. God forbid this girl did something or killed him. I want to know. She needs to be held accountable.”
If all that makes sense. I’m a little buzzed now. Just had a top five dinner of my life. Pascal and Sabine out here in NJ. So amazing.
Douchebag K
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Red
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Sorry, I not up on that aspect enough to comment with any real knowledge.
Douchebag K
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ Interesting, large scale retrospective study showing no increase in the rate of Myocarditis or Pericarditis post Covid infection in unvaccinated unlike previously thought
One Brow
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Also:
So, young males (as opposed to adults) were associated with myocarditis, just as with the vaccine? How do you feel that affects the risk ratios?
Douchebag K
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sure young men naturally 4 times more likely to have myocarditis than others if they're unvaccinated. That's not new and that is not the point at all. .. Is there data showing how many more times a male is likely to have myocarditis post Covid vaccination compared to a control group ? ta
The point is that suffering a Covid infection results in no increase in myocarditis incidence. Not as has previously been asserted that Covid results in an increase in myocarditis cases. I'm sure you can agree given the massive sample size. And i'm glad you point out that different age groups should be assessed differently.
From 0-29yrs 7,981 people in the U.S. have died from covid. From 0-45 the rate of men dying to women is 1.66 (best numbers I could find in a quick search). So well over half of that 7,981 number is young men. Let's just call it a pretty safe 5,000 young men have died from COVID in the U.S..
How many young men have died from myocarditis?
How many young men have died from myocarditis?
One Brow
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Actually, that's not something the study itself claims. It is available in it's entirety, for example, https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219/htm.
In the next paragraph:
Even more importantly:
So, you can see a difference when you limit the studied population to young men, to within a few weeks of catching the disease, and possibly when you consider all cases instead of just inpatient cases.
Back to the story of how stupid China is with Covid lately. My wife got Covid in USA over 20 days ago, she had symptoms for about 4 days and tested negative on the 5th day. We have done tests every other day since and never tested positive once. We got to Hong Kong and did tests every day for three days all negative and got to China for their 10 day quarantine, 7 at their facility and then we can do 3 at home if everything is okay. We did the two tests at the airport that are very strict and thorough and they came back negative. But then on the first day of quarantine she got a call... They told her it was inconclusive test and needed more info. After answering questions for 15 minutes they said she was actually positive and was going to be taken to a hospital. 5 phone calls later and a bunch of questions they are still being dumb and lying about, as usual. But we finally demanded and got the report, she is negative by international standards and by China standards, but barely. China is much more strict about the levels on the test but basically she tested the number that is very strict here of something like 35 ppm. That is the standard China considers you negative and releases you. But, they are saying now they think she is trending negative (based on nothing) so she is probably going to be taken away for 10 days or so for strict quarantine watch.