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Markkanen is entering his prime as an NBA player. There is no way he'll sign an extension with the Jazz if it's looking like he's gonna be doing nothing but losing on a tanking/rebuilding team.

A tank doesn't stop on a dime. No matter who you draft, the losing will most likely continue for years. Look at Orlando.
+1 . Thats the main reason i think why Ainge does not want a long tank. Tanking does not attract any good players and you have to be lucky to draft 3 or 4 very good guys to have a chance. But the most realistic issue is years of mediocrity.
 
Markkanen is entering his prime as an NBA player. There is no way he'll sign an extension with the Jazz if it's looking like he's gonna be doing nothing but losing on a tanking/rebuilding team.

A tank doesn't stop on a dime. No matter who you draft, the losing will most likely continue for years. Look at Orlando.
Or Detroit, or Houston, or Hornets, or even OKC, who has actually found great talent through the draft.
 
Markkanen is entering his prime as an NBA player. There is no way he'll sign an extension with the Jazz if it's looking like he's gonna be doing nothing but losing on a tanking/rebuilding team.

A tank doesn't stop on a dime. No matter who you draft, the losing will most likely continue for years. Look at Orlando.
Some of you need to stop making this argument. There is minor tanking and flat out tanking. For us it would be a minor tank and it 100% would not last long. Also Orlando is less than 2 years into their tank and are clearly in a position now to exit it quickly.
 
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Or Detroit, or Houston, or Hornets, or even OKC, who has actually found great talent through the draft.
Or you could try educating yourself. For OKC they did a 2 year tank and are clearly exiting it already and that is with Chet not even playing. The hornets didn't even tank. They just have bad management. Detroit and Houston clearly tanked hard but they are pretty much starting with nothing. That isn't even close to being the case with us. We have so many young pieces that we aren't even capable to tanking hard like them. We just need to take a short step back this and probably next year to take a massive step forward in 2 years.
 
Or you could try educating yourself. For OKC they did a 2 year tank and are clearly exiting it already and that is with Chet not even playing. The hornets didn't even tank. They just have bad management. Detroit and Houston clearly tanked hard but they are pretty much starting with nothing. That isn't even close to being the case with us. We have so many young pieces that we aren't even capable to tanking hard like them. We just need to take a short step back this and probably next year to take a massive step forward in 2 years.
The argument that I keep hearing about “oh you want to be OKC and tank for seven years… no thanks” is hilarious. SGA is all-nba caliber player… Giddey, Williams, Chet, Dort are all going to be good or very good… they are a .500 team and haven’t flipped the switch to start using cap space to acquire actual players and have a billion picks to add win now talent… if they wanted to be the 4/5 seed this year they could likely do it if they wanted… should be a play in team with huge upside in the next few years…

People would rather do the SA route where we gun for the 8 seed for a few years then finally decide to rebuild and tank and start the clock again… sounds fun.
 
Is he the same guy though? Watching him this season, he doesn't seem to have anywhere near the same athleticism as he did with the Sixers, and his defense has slipped as well. The back injuries may have taken a toll on him. Not to mention the mental aspect of it all. He may just be completely broken at this point.

If he was still this guy, then it would definitely be worth taking a chance on him, but I really don't think he is.


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Nah, I'm not on board the tank at all cost train anymore. When I thought we had a good chance at a bottom 3 record, that's what I wanted, but a bottom 8-10 record doesn't seem that great to me. I'd prefer to keep our guys and watch fun basketball this year unless we get really great offers for them.

With that said I don't think wins and losses are something to be too concerned about. I like the idea of trying to buy low on young guys that haven't worked out other places and see if we can find something that way.

This is how i feel as well.

If we wouldnt have started off so great then i would cheer losses but now i want wins more. Im still ok with losses, since this is the season where wins and losses both have silver linings, but winning has been so much fun and i want it to continue. I want to make the playoffs.


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When is the last time you ate creamed corn? I have to be going on 30 years.

This is a good point. I ate it pretty often as a kid but very rarely eat it as an adult.
My brother makes really good creamed corn for family functions every now and then so i have had it in the last few years at least.


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Our main competition in that tank range is OKC and SA... almost all of our games against them come in the final 20 games. If we are in range we might have a key injury or give Ochai, Dok, 48 minutes a night to develop.
Might okc and San Antonio also have a key injury and give scrubs minutes to “develop”?



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Might okc and San Antonio also have a key injury and give scrubs minutes to “develop”?



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Yes… of course but those matchups mean we control our own destiny at least a little.

I think OKC and SA might put a little more value in a play in birth if we got to that point in the season and they were close… OKC to get guys experience and show some progress… SA because it may be Pop’s swan song.
 
Actually there is this generational talent named Victor that many teams are coveting and will tank for.


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Detroit, Houston, Orlando are currently the only obvious tankers. Charlotte may join them if Ball keeps getting hurt. Pacers are above .500 and their winning is being driven by guys in their 20s… SA is close to .500 and has the same type of thing going… same with OKC and they now will have a hard time shutting down SGA (he’s now good enough they need to worry much more about keeping him happy than getting more high picks). Kings desperately want to make the playoffs. Lakers, Clips, Nets, T wolves have no motivation to tank. We can get to the 6-8 range by simply moving at least one vet and replacing one vet on the rotation imo. Lauri has struggled to play all 82 in the past… he misses 10-20 games and you are right there imo.
 
Or you could try educating yourself. For OKC they did a 2 year tank and are clearly exiting it already and that is with Chet not even playing. The hornets didn't even tank. They just have bad management. Detroit and Houston clearly tanked hard but they are pretty much starting with nothing. That isn't even close to being the case with us. We have so many young pieces that we aren't even capable to tanking hard like them. We just need to take a short step back this and probably next year to take a massive step forward in 2 years.
Educating myself? All I listed are teams that havent been able to come back that went to tank 2020 or earlier.

You dont think Hornets tried to tank in 2019 when they didnt give Walker the contract and traded him for Rozier? You yourself said it in the post above this one, is that there is "minor tanking" and hard tanking. Yet, Hornets do not qualify for either? Charlotte boards and media want a word with you. They were definitely talking tank 2019-20 season.

OKC got a haul for both PG and Westbrook. They lucked out big time on SGA as a part of PG trade who is right now carrying them, but time will tell if they become true contenders or not as a team. They didn't draft their biggest star, so it was not a result of "sucking your record" to get him. They have drafted well, but as you yourself said, they are only "exiting" the tank, not out of it.
 
OKC and SA have many more sure fire solid future pieces than we do. As it sits we have 1 for sure… most likely 2 or 3. OKC has like 5-6 at least… SA has 4. I keep hearing we have too much young talent to lose but outside of Lauri no one else is really driving winning except the 30 year olds. Beasley/Vando/Kessler are contributing… but without Mike, JC, KO we’d be like 5 games off of where our current record is.
 
Detroit, Houston, Orlando are currently the only obvious tankers. Charlotte may join them if Ball keeps getting hurt. Pacers are above .500 and their winning is being driven by guys in their 20s… SA is close to .500 and has the same type of thing going… same with OKC and they now will have a hard time shutting down SGA (he’s now good enough they need to worry much more about keeping him happy than getting more high picks). Kings desperately want to make the playoffs. Lakers, Clips, Nets, T wolves have no motivation to tank. We can get to the 6-8 range by simply moving at least one vet and replacing one vet on the rotation imo. Lauri has struggled to play all 82 in the past… he misses 10-20 games and you are right there imo.
In fairness, I don't think Orlando is tanking anymore, they just still are not that good despite all that youth and upside. I honestly don't think OKC is tanking either, same situation there. Now are either of those orgs going out there moving picks and youth for vets no. I think there will be a lot of late season tanking obviously as it was in past couple years. If the Jazz are in the play in hunt I do not think they rest good players or sit them out due to minor injuries etc. If they are are already playing short-handed though, meaning they have long odds at winning in the first round, I think they will be in the lottery and nobody would say a word outside of Utah other than injuries hurt them.
 
OKC and SA have many more sure fire solid future pieces than we do. As it sits we have 1 for sure… most likely 2 or 3. OKC has like 5-6 at least… SA has 4. I keep hearing we have too much young talent to lose but outside of Lauri no one else is really driving winning except the 30 year olds. Beasley/Vando/Kessler are contributing… but without Mike, JC, KO we’d be like 5 games off of where our current record is.
Sure fire pieces are guys who are already there. You dont know where their ceiling is. Until they start winning and producing big things, they are promising prospects.
 
Sure fire pieces are guys who are already there. You dont know where their ceiling is. Until they start winning and producing big things, they are promising prospects.
I know... OKC has SGA, Giddey, Dort, Jalen Williams, Chet... they also have a few guys that could still pop that have showed improvement. They are a good team and all the winning is being driven by their young guys. They are too good to tank down to like the high 20s in wins.

SA has Poeltl, Vassell, Johnson, Sochan, Jones that can all likely be part of the next SA playoff team. They also have like 60M in cap space next year to add win now talent.

We have Lauri, Kessler, Vando(?)... Beasley is young (in his prime) but it will cost 15M to keep him. I love Sexton but I am not banking on him being a piece you can build around.

Our winning is being driven much more by vets who won't be around in 2-3 years.
 
Give me a one year mini tank. At this point it would be closer to a 60 game micro tank. We had our 10-3 but it's time to look to the future and winning games on the backs of 30 yo vets isn't it.

The 7th worst record has gotten lucky and moved up in the lottery every year since the new system was enacted. That's really all this team needs with all the other draft capital in their war chest.
 
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