Its Time to Tank

[FrenchJazzFa]

Markkanen is entering his prime as an NBA player. There is no way he'll sign an extension with the Jazz if it's looking like he's gonna be doing nothing but losing on a tanking/rebuilding team.

A tank doesn't stop on a dime. No matter who you draft, the losing will most likely continue for years. Look at Orlando.

+1 . Thats the main reason i think why Ainge does not want a long tank. Tanking does not attract any good players and you have to be lucky to draft 3 or 4 very good guys to have a chance. But the most realistic issue is years of mediocrity.

 

[HermanG]

Markkanen is entering his prime as an NBA player. There is no way he'll sign an extension with the Jazz if it's looking like he's gonna be doing nothing but losing on a tanking/rebuilding team.

A tank doesn't stop on a dime. No matter who you draft, the losing will most likely continue for years. Look at Orlando.

Or Detroit, or Houston, or Hornets, or even OKC, who has actually found great talent through the draft.

 

[sip]

Markkanen is entering his prime as an NBA player. There is no way he'll sign an extension with the Jazz if it's looking like he's gonna be doing nothing but losing on a tanking/rebuilding team.

A tank doesn't stop on a dime. No matter who you draft, the losing will most likely continue for years. Look at Orlando.

Some of you need to stop making this argument. There is minor tanking and flat out tanking. For us it would be a minor tank and it 100% would not last long. Also Orlando is less than 2 years into their tank and are clearly in a position now to exit it quickly.

 

[sip]

Or Detroit, or Houston, or Hornets, or even OKC, who has actually found great talent through the draft.

Or you could try educating yourself. For OKC they did a 2 year tank and are clearly exiting it already and that is with Chet not even playing. The hornets didn't even tank. They just have bad management. Detroit and Houston clearly tanked hard but they are pretty much starting with nothing. That isn't even close to being the case with us. We have so many young pieces that we aren't even capable to tanking hard like them. We just need to take a short step back this and probably next year to take a massive step forward in 2 years.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Or you could try educating yourself. For OKC they did a 2 year tank and are clearly exiting it already and that is with Chet not even playing. The hornets didn't even tank. They just have bad management. Detroit and Houston clearly tanked hard but they are pretty much starting with nothing. That isn't even close to being the case with us. We have so many young pieces that we aren't even capable to tanking hard like them. We just need to take a short step back this and probably next year to take a massive step forward in 2 years.

The argument that I keep hearing about “oh you want to be OKC and tank for seven years… no thanks” is hilarious. SGA is all-nba caliber player… Giddey, Williams, Chet, Dort are all going to be good or very good… they are a .500 team and haven’t flipped the switch to start using cap space to acquire actual players and have a billion picks to add win now talent… if they wanted to be the 4/5 seed this year they could likely do it if they wanted… should be a play in team with huge upside in the next few years…

People would rather do the SA route where we gun for the 8 seed for a few years then finally decide to rebuild and tank and start the clock again… sounds fun.

 

[LogGrad98]

Is he the same guy though? Watching him this season, he doesn't seem to have anywhere near the same athleticism as he did with the Sixers, and his defense has slipped as well. The back injuries may have taken a toll on him. Not to mention the mental aspect of it all. He may just be completely broken at this point.

If he was still this guy, then it would definitely be worth taking a chance on him, but I really don't think he is.


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[fishonjazz]

Nah, I'm not on board the tank at all cost train anymore. When I thought we had a good chance at a bottom 3 record, that's what I wanted, but a bottom 8-10 record doesn't seem that great to me. I'd prefer to keep our guys and watch fun basketball this year unless we get really great offers for them.

With that said I don't think wins and losses are something to be too concerned about. I like the idea of trying to buy low on young guys that haven't worked out other places and see if we can find something that way.

This is how i feel as well.

If we wouldnt have started off so great then i would cheer losses but now i want wins more. Im still ok with losses, since this is the season where wins and losses both have silver linings, but winning has been so much fun and i want it to continue. I want to make the playoffs.


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[fishonjazz]

When is the last time you ate creamed corn? I have to be going on 30 years.

This is a good point. I ate it pretty often as a kid but very rarely eat it as an adult.
My brother makes really good creamed corn for family functions every now and then so i have had it in the last few years at least.


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[fishonjazz]

Pacers hang-up the phone on you.

Thats when we sweeten the deal by adding Udoka!


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[fishonjazz]

Our main competition in that tank range is OKC and SA... almost all of our games against them come in the final 20 games. If we are in range we might have a key injury or give Ochai, Dok, 48 minutes a night to develop.

Might okc and San Antonio also have a key injury and give scrubs minutes to “develop”?



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[fishonjazz]

There aren't a bunch of tanking teams this year.

Actually there is this generational talent named Victor that many teams are coveting and will tank for.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

Might okc and San Antonio also have a key injury and give scrubs minutes to “develop”?



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Yes… of course but those matchups mean we control our own destiny at least a little.

I think OKC and SA might put a little more value in a play in birth if we got to that point in the season and they were close… OKC to get guys experience and show some progress… SA because it may be Pop’s swan song.