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Donovan Mitchell - CRT and Off Court Racial Issues were Draining

Donovan is spewing bigotry that only perpetuates negative stereotypes of Utahans. His personal anecdotes don't add up to much but him going public with it moves society backwards. He should shut up and dribble and since he or no one else outside of here will read that, what will it matter.

I for one won't be cheering for that bigot in sheep's clothing when he returns.

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No athlete should just “shut up and throw/pass/catch/kick/dribble/hit/etc.”Before they’re professional athletes and entertainers, they were human beings first. Attempting to silence people based on their professional careers is wrong. Shame on anyone who thinks this way. They should have the same rights to speak out just as anyone else.

Anyone who thinks athletes should just “shut up” instantly loses credibility in my eyes.
 
I’m not accusing it. I’m saying he is racist. Because he clearly is.
He might be, might just feel strongly about some things that you don't understand , but chances are pretty good you will assume he is racist, because it feeds your animal. You can't make someone into something, based on their generalization of the majority, as shortsighted as it is for him to do.
 
say what you will, but a lot of players try to make it seem as if they wanted something to happen after the fact, based on reasons outside of basketball, so as to minimize their own failures on the court. Everyone knows the Don Rudy blowup was the best play for Danny to make. No one person really cares that much about one mans opinion of a city, especially given its just his opinion and not a proven fact. We won't see fruit from the deal with CLE for a couple seasons probably outside of some small victories. Overall I don't care what he said at all, everyone has opinions , and his is just yet another take by another athlete who thinks his words have more meaning because of his following. People need to think for themselves
Donovan has millions of followers and then even influence in the league. His words and actions affect people. He wouldn't have a shoe deal if others didn't want to be just a little bit like him and unfortunately, people cling to hating on other people based on race, sex, religion and/or the color of skin. He absolutely is influencing others to laugh at and simply hate the people of Utah.

It's similar to the issue of Ye's words but on a smaller scale, and I'm assuming you thought that Ye was wrong.

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No athlete should just “shut up and throw/pass/catch/kick/dribble/hit/etc.”Before they’re professional athletes and entertainers, they were human beings first. Attempting to silence people based on their professional careers is wrong. Shame on anyone who thinks this way. They should have the same rights to speak out just as anyone else.

Anyone who thinks athletes should just “shut up” instantly loses credibility in my eyes.
Okay, okay...let's see the forest through the pine needle and criticize Donovan to a scaleable level.

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Because you are a nobody on the Interwebz you can spew your opinion, but DM can't express his because he has a larger audience/voice that may expose your historically racist little world and damage your little false vision, he can't? That's the "forest for the tree"? Let me guess, you are all about free speech, as long as you approve what is said?
Maybe, if you can't back up your "historically racist" comment with facts (you can't), you should just shut up and talk about basketball.

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Donovan has millions of followers and then even influence in the league. His words and actions affect people. He wouldn't have a shoe deal if others didn't want to be just a little bit like him and unfortunately, people cling to hating on other people based on race, sex, religion and/or the color of skin. He absolutely is influencing others to laugh at and simply hate the people of Utah.

It's similar to the issue of Ye's words but on a smaller scale, and I'm assuming you thought that Ye was wrong.

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he could have 500 followers like I do, and still make more of an impact in the world if his words are truth. People need to think for themselves and if they are not, and are so easily blown by the wind like you are suggesting, there is no hope left for any race
 
he could have 500 followers like I do, and still make more of an impact in the world if his words are truth. People need to think for themselves and if they are not, and are so easily blown by the wind like you are suggesting, there is no hope left for any race



Donovan's words are biased though and only partially true. There is racism everywhere but becuase people want to put others down, too many of those who hear his message will believe that we are more racist than is actually true.




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I thought you were better than this, thriller. Donovan is making it harder to recruit players and keep them longer term with the stigma he is perpetuating about the people and the fans here. Its obvious bigotry and I'm just surprised you aren't taking an issue with that.
 
Essentially stating the fanbase is too white is racism. Now go f*** yourself with your rationalizations for racism.
1) Mitchell didn't say that. In fact, he doesn't refer to white people at all in the article. That was the interviewer.
2) Cursing won't make anyone think you know things when you're clearly ignorant and so proud of your ignorance that you make stuff up to justify it.

because you don’t both feel so taxed by all the white people and then ask to stay when it’s wide open for a trade. They are totally contradictory statements and sentiments.
If you've felt contradictory things at the same time, you are truly a simple man. Frankly, I don't believe you there. Sometimes we hate those we love, we get tired of things that excite us, etc. Humans are complicated.
 
I couldn't care less what DM says tbh. He gave us some really good years but I tend to think he's a diva and drama queen.
 
I thought you were better than this, thriller. Donovan is making it harder to recruit players and keep them longer term with the stigma he is perpetuating about the people and the fans here. Its obvious bigotry and I'm just surprised you aren't taking an issue with that.
Mitchell discussed a difference he noticed in Utah/SLC versus in Cleveland, NYC, etc.. If that makes it harder to recruit players in Utah, that's not on Mitchell. That's on the people near SLC. Put the blame where it belongs.
 
Mitchell discussed a difference he noticed in Utah/SLC versus in Cleveland, NYC, etc.. If that makes it harder to recruit players in Utah, that's not on Mitchell. That's on the people near SLC. Put the blame where it belongs.

Donovan's situations are personal anecdotes and suffer from bias and worse, perhaps deep confirmation bias. The people and fans of Utah are not to blame for that. That is on Donovan.
 
Donovan's situations are personal anecdotes and suffer from bias and worse, perhaps deep confirmation bias. The people and fans of Utah are not to blame for that. That is on Donov
If that's what you need to tell yourself to sleep well at night, I won't convince you otherwise. I'll just say that I've heard similar things from too many players over the years (not to mention too many posters on this board) to think it's just Mitchell.
 
Mitchell discussed a difference he noticed in Utah/SLC versus in Cleveland, NYC, etc.. If that makes it harder to recruit players in Utah, that's not on Mitchell. That's on the people near SLC. Put the blame where it belongs.
I agree with this. I think his opinion of Utah, including his personal experiences, will have a huge effect on the Jazz' ability to sign and keep American players, and superstar players. To one degree or another, it's going to make Ainge's job more difficult.

And that's the price the Jazz will have to pay for operating within the context that is Utah.

This gives a tremendous amount of power to people who act a fool on social media, interacting with basketball players, and professionals generally.

Perceptions are "proven inaccurate" all the time, but to many players it may not matter. Utah will always be stigmatized because of it's history, and because of the history of Mormonism. Which is why every tone-deaf, uneducated interaction is going to continue to simply confirm the bias in play.
 
I thought you were better than this, thriller. Donovan is making it harder to recruit players and keep them longer term with the stigma he is perpetuating about the people and the fans here. It’s obvious bigotry and I'm just surprised you aren't taking an issue with that.
You compared Mitchell’s comparing of SLC and Cleveland to Kanye west, a man who wanted to go “Death Con on Jews” and last month praised Hitler. This is an absurd comparison. Do you live in SLC? Perhaps it’s people like you that’s actually making it harder to recruit and retain good basketball players?

Honestly, I really don’t care what you think of me as I see you’re in over your head when discussing this issue.

The big problem I have are athletes being told to “shut up and dribble.” No, they’re human beings who have every right to speak out as anyone else. What they say might be great or absurd. But we should never diminish their right to speak out. Especially black athletes, who have experienced a history of “just shut up and do what the master says.” I find this type of dialogue really demeaning towards fellow human beings.
 
Donovan's situations are personal anecdotes and suffer from bias and worse, perhaps deep confirmation bias. The people and fans of Utah are not to blame for that. That is on Donovan.
The old "minimize the Black individual's experience because it doesn't meet my narrative" approach. So, you are the authority on confirmation bias, yet completely objective in your view? How God like of you.
 
If that's what you need to tell yourself to sleep well at night, I won't convince you otherwise. I'll just say that I've heard similar things from too many players over the years (not to mention too many posters on this board) to think it's just Mitchell.
I didn't single out Mitchell for suffering from racism in Utah. I'm sure it is widespread here, and everywhere. He is the one with the platform, though, that influences many others. His message of the racist people and fans of Utah is biased but too many people will want to believe it to be so.

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