David Locke - Utah Jazz are NOT tanking

[HermanG]

Huh? I simply said that sometimes when one tries to achieve a specific goal or result, it doesn't work out. Guilty, innocent. I dont know what the hell is going on there lol. I will let you be judge and jury on that stuff. I will continue to look at the moves made and judge those moves. I saw a really good team with a really good coach throw it all away for not much of anything. Then that not much of anything turned into something unexpected. Then when the unexpected happened I saw a team get rid of a number of contributing players for garbage. Then the team beat a few mediocre teams and lost to the worst team in the league.

I dont see an innocent or guilty team in all that. I see a management staff that made moves to intentionally be bad/get worse. Didn't work out like they thought it would. Which could be a very good thing. I love that we have a superstar already. I dont think we intended to have one at this point though. I think the wind blew and a superstar happened.

I was talking about the past 5 weeks only. I understand you have carried that narrative for longer, but I just ask you to consider the list (ignore performance) and if you can fit them into that narrative.

There is no other proof from last 5 weeks about FO sabotaging us than that one trade, which can be reasoned in other ways. However there are plenty of easy, legal and even sensible ways they could have sabotaged us further yet they didnt.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This is all opinionated. You are claiming we are trying to lose despite the fact that:
- Our record is not worse than before

We are 4-4 and our net rating is -16. Its a small sample that is swung by winning an OT game by 1 point. Just wait...

- Our stats are not significantly worse

Not gonna look this up... significant is a subjective term anyway

- Our best players have more minutes and opportunity

We could have always done this... nothing was stopping this at all. Its irrelevant.

- Our distance to the best lottery seeds has grown

This is not true... we are in the 12th spot and were in the 13th spot the night of the trade.

- FO said we did the trade regardless of whether we win or lose more (which means they publicly acknowledge it might lead to more losses!!)

Yes what was Danny supposed to say "we tanking this ****... Bring us Victor!!!!

- Hardy said we have foot on the pedal

Again... what is he supposed to say? This reminds me of when my wife starts talking to the shady salesman at the fair and says "the salesman says the hologram on this bracelet will reduce inflammation and help with flexibility".

- We didnt trade JC, who has already won us the Pacers game

Another key anti-tanker argument I keep brining up much to your consternation... but yet you keep bringing up that we didn't trade everyone. You don't have to trade everyone. We might want these guys beyond a year.

- We didnt trade KO, who has been solid and playing 30 minutes ever since the DL

And again... see above.

- We waived Bolmaro, perfect tank commander, who just wanted minutes

He wanted to go back to Europe and we have JTA, Udoka, Tech.... he has no future in the NBA. We did him a solid.

You and the other tankers are accusing the FO for lying. Its not my job to prove they are not. Innocent until proven guilty.

I judge actions... you can tell me you had nothing to do with the disappearance of your wife... but if the insurance policy changed the week before she disappeared and you have her cell phone and were the person last seen with her and your search history shows a search of "where to hide a dead body".... I'm going to go ahead and issue a verdict.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I was talking about the past 5 weeks only. I understand you have carried that narrative for longer, but I just ask you to consider the list (ignore performance) and if you can fit them into that narrative.

There is no other proof from last 5 weeks about FO sabotaging us than that one trade, which can be reasoned in other ways. However there are plenty of easy, legal and even sensible ways they could have sabotaged us further yet they didnt.

Yup unless the FO trades EVERYONE and the medical staff declares EVERYONE ineligible for a hangnail and the equipment managers accidentally forget sneakers and the guys have to play in socks... then its obvious... no tank.

 

[The Midnight]

See how you took it to terminology? Good that I called it when you first started this deduction chain.

Is that all you see in the move? All that happened was it made us worse... no other benefits or even considerations?

Btw correct term is still not a tanking move. The impact or effort wasnt enough to warrant that label.

Again you haven't answered the question.. so I'll wait..

 

[The Midnight]

Huh? I simply said that sometimes when one tries to achieve a specific goal or result, it doesn't work out. Guilty, innocent. I dont know what the hell is going on there lol. I will let you be judge and jury on that stuff. I will continue to look at the moves made and judge those moves. I saw a really good team with a really good coach throw it all away for not much of anything. Then that not much of anything turned into something unexpected. Then when the unexpected happened I saw a team get rid of a number of contributing players for garbage. Then the team beat a few mediocre teams and lost to the worst team in the league.

I dont see an innocent or guilty team in all that. I see a management staff that made moves to intentionally be bad/get worse. Didn't work out like they thought it would. Which could be a very good thing. I love that we have a superstar already. I dont think we intended to have one at this point though. I think the wind blew and a superstar happened.

Its been a fun season. An unexpected one, but fun nonetheless. I aint mad. Quite the opposite. Im glad the tank isn't working as that means a quicker rebuild.

Donovan trade. Tank. Rudy trade. Tank. Bogey trade. Tank. conley trade. Tank. Royce trade. Tank. Beverly trade. Iffy. All these trades happened to get worse/be bad imo. Then the wind blew in unexpectedly and the wins piles up unintentionally. Stuff like that happens in life sometimes.

Awesome post bro. Wish i could rep.

 

[The Midnight]

Donovan trade. Tank. Rudy trade. Tank. Bogey trade. Tank. conley trade. Tank. Royce trade. Tank. Beverly trade. Iffy. All these trades happened to get worse/be bad imo. Then the wind blew in unexpectedly and the wins piles up unintentionally. Stuff like that happens in life sometimes.

This was cool. Haha.. and so true.

 

[KqWIN]

Yeah but who is he though? He’s the radio play by play right? This YouTube thing is his side gig. Like someone else had mentioned in this thread the Jazz aren’t paying him to defend the Org.

The Jazz isn’t paying him to come on YouTube to say anything regarding the tank. He could have talked about a lot of other things. Yet he chooses to talk down to the fan base as if we don’t know what’s going on and slated Andy in the process.

I listen to the Hoop collective podcast by Brian Windhorst and co. quite a bit and at least they are honest about what’s going on a round the league without having an agenda.

But this isn’t the case with Locke right now.

The hoop collective are not employees of the team lol. It doesn’t matter if it’s on his podcast. He’s not going to tell people that the team doesn’t care about winning. That directly impacts his job with the Jazz.

 

[The Midnight]

The hoop collective are not employees of the team lol. It doesn’t matter if it’s on his podcast. He’s not going to tell people that the team doesn’t care about winning. That directly impacts his job with the Jazz.

Yes I get that, again I go back to what I said, which is that he could have avoided saying anything.

But he wanted to respond to Andy Larson's article (I'm guessing).

To me to say that we aren't tanking because we needed to see what Dok can do amidst the playoffs is disingenuous.

Every man and his dog knows there isn't even a glimmer of hope that Dok is an NBA player.

 

[HermanG]

Again you haven't answered the question.. so I'll wait..

Dude this strategy is childish. Never answering my question but demanding me to answer a series of questions you try to forcefully pinpoint to one attribute in a complex matter.

Also you praising others who fight the same battle by highlighting their posts by replying is hilariously agenda-driven.

 

[The Midnight]

Dude this strategy is childish. Never answering my question but demanding me to answer a series of questions you try to forcefully pinpoint to one attribute in a complex matter.

Also you praising others who fight the same battle by highlighting their posts by replying is hilariously agenda-driven.

Still waiting..

 

[HermanG]

Yup unless the FO trades EVERYONE and the medical staff declares EVERYONE ineligible for a hangnail and the equipment managers accidentally forget sneakers and the guys have to play in socks... then its obvious... no tank.

You are so out of arguments you resort to exaggaration. Show me more than your 1 piece of evidence from past 5 weeks. Doesnt need to be EVERYTHING... just ANYTHING.

 

[HermanG]

Still waiting..

As am I. And I asked first and answered plenty already.

Plus there is no "term" for the thing you described. Googled it and didnt find. I guess it doesnt exist.