How Much $$$ Should Jazz Throw at Austin Reaves?

[NUMBERICA]

If that’s a thing then I am fine with it. I’m not sure it’s a thing though. Early Bird/RFA/Arenas Provision seems to be the CBA boss fight. **** is squirrelly as hell.

Like… I’m pretty sure the Lakers can only offer 105% of the MLE, but they can theoretically match any offer so long as they have space for the 3rd and 4th years of the deal where it could spike from ~MLE to the max… or maybe even beyond the max in those years?

This is rapidly becoming one of the strangest CBA scenarios I’ve ever discussed.

 

[NUMBERICA]

View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1637834022658211840

This is a great summary.

The Jazz should be the team that takes him or gives LA a very poisoned pill. Jazz will/should have more space than they know what to do with.

BTW: Jazz should also do some recon and poach whoever is digging out all of these prospects for the Lakers. No way it’s just luck at this point.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This is a great summary.

The Jazz should be the team that takes him or gives LA a very poisoned pill. Jazz will/should have more space than they know what to do with.

BTW: Jazz should also do some recon and poach whoever is digging out all of these prospects for the Lakers. No way it’s just luck at this point.

I'm fine with it... so long as it doesn't slow down any other business we do... They are very likely to grit their teeth and match and I would not want to miss out on something more solid.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

K maybe max him now

 

[hgb]

I don't know the exact numbers, but I read that LAL can give him ~13M/year. A poison pill contract can due to the Gilbert Arenas provision go way above that, but not starting year one, and somewhere else I read the max anyone can give is ~4/98.
By my (probably faulty) calculations, that would end up being
23/24: 13.xM
24/25: 13.yM (+5% of year one)
25/26: 36M
26/27: 36M

Would take a little less than 25M in cap space to give the offer sheet. Not sure if he would count against the cap with 24M/year or those above numbers.

36M per is a bit hefty for Reaves...

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't know the exact numbers, but I read that LAL can give him ~13M/year. A poison pill contract can due to the Gilbert Arenas provision go way above that, but not starting year one, and somewhere else I read the max anyone can give is ~4/98.
By my (probably faulty) calculations, that would end up being
23/24: 13.xM
24/25: 13.yM (+5% of year one)
25/26: 36M
26/27: 36M

Would take a little less than 25M in cap space to give the offer sheet. Not sure if he would count against the cap with 24M/year or those above numbers.

36M per is a bit hefty for Reaves...

Jazz would want it front loaded to make it scary for Lakers

 

[hgb]

Jazz would want it front loaded to make it scary for Lakers

They can't, since that would prevent the Lakers from matching. At least that's how I understand this Gilbert Arenas provision. We can't go over non-taxpayer MLE for the first two years.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They can't, since that would prevent the Lakers from matching. At least that's how I understand this Gilbert Arenas provision. We can't go over non-taxpayer MLE for the first two years.

Between these limitations and the ability to match…. There is no way this happens unless we talk them into a sign and trade. Simply giving them a worst case toxic contract will result in them gritting their teeth and just matching.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They can't, since that would prevent the Lakers from matching. At least that's how I understand this Gilbert Arenas provision. We can't go over non-taxpayer MLE for the first two years.

No, Lakers just can't offer him more than 12 a year. Other teams can do what they want and Lakers can match, I believe. But I'm CBA illiterate so idk.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

No, Lakers just can't offer him more than 12 a year. Other teams can do what they want and Lakers can match, I believe. But I'm CBA illiterate so idk.

They can’t front load it… it’s complicated and rare but we can only do so much. In the history of these types of offers they usually age poorly.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They can’t front load it… it’s complicated and rare but we can only do so much. In the history of these types of offers they usually age poorly.

K, can't front load, but you can still offer him more than 12 to start

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

K, can't front load, but you can still offer him more than 12 to start

No you can’t. It’s 12 for the first two years then up to the max… cap hit is smoothed out over 4 years. For them the cap hit is 13,13, max max.

 

[sip]

This dude has gone nuclear over these last few games. He really is fun to watch with how calm and deliberate he has been.

 

[HermanG]

K, can't front load, but you can still offer him more than 12 to start

From HoopsHype:
The Arenas provision limits the first-year salary that rival suitors can offer restricted free agents who have only been in the league for one or two years. The starting salary for an offer sheet can’t exceed the amount of the non-taxpayer mid-level exception, which allows the player’s original team to use either the mid-level exception or the Early Bird exception to match it. Otherwise, a team without the necessary cap space would be powerless to keep its player, like the Warriors were with Arenas.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Nevermind

 

[NUMBERICA]

K maybe max him now

Honestly?…

 

[NUMBERICA]

No you can’t. It’s 12 for the first two years then up to the max… cap hit is smoothed out over 4 years. For them the cap hit is 13,13, max max.

I’m pretty sure if the Jazz signed him to a max that LA would have to makeup the cap hit from the first two years, so it would be something like: 11, 12, >60, >60

TLDR; gotta make that **** super toxic and either they blink or they are paying Hillbilly Kobe the most salary of anyone ever in years 3 and 4.

 

[fishonjazz]

Mayo Mamba playing TOO damn good. Gonna make us lose our shot at him.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Here’s the argument for maxing Reaves:

The Jazz are positioned to be very cap lean due to their abundance rookie-scale players. There will also likely be a cap spike in a couple of years.

It’s a wild swing but the Jazz are positioned to take it if they wanna get wild.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I’m pretty sure if the Jazz signed him to a max that LA would have to makeup the cap hit from the first two years, so it would be something like: 11, 12, >60, >60

TLDR; gotta make that **** super toxic and either they blink or they are paying Hillbilly Kobe the most salary of anyone ever in years 3 and 4.

It is just weird to me that the CBA wouldn’t allow a free agent an actual max contract because they’re an Early Bird but someone is going to have to cite the notion.