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Let’s not forget, republicans have already made clear what they want to do to the trans population, eradicate them. “There is no middle way” aka compromise. They must be eradicated. You know, like you would a bug infestation.


View: https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1632057198577606657?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw

So this guy wants to eradicate my kid.

Cool. I should consider "both sides" in the next election?

Spoiler alert: I'm not voting for people who advocate for eradicating my kid.
 
They’re eradicating trans people, just as they said they would.


Missouri this month became the first state in the country to severely restrict gender treatments for people of all ages, following a series of quieter moves across the country that have been chipping away at transgender adults’ access to medical care.

Last year, Florida joined six other states in banning Medicaid from covering some form of gender care for transgender people of all ages…

Citing consumer protection laws meant to regulate fraud, the state attorney general, Andrew Bailey, issued an emergency rule prohibiting doctors from providing gender treatments to patients — of any age — unless they adhere to a slew of significant restrictions, including 18 months of psychological assessment. The rule also said that patients should not receive gender treatments until any mental health issues are “resolved.”
Terry Schilling, the president of the American Principles Project, a right-wing advocacy group pushing for restrictions on transgender rights, said in an interview earlier this year that focusing on minors had been a short-term political calculation. His organization’s long-term goal, he said, was to eliminate transition care altogether.

“I view this whole issue the same as I view lobotomies or eugenics — it’s a bad medical fad,” he said.
As we’re seeing with abortion rights, red states will now climb over each other to see who can pass the most restrictive laws against trans care as possible. Especially if their governor has presidential aspirations. And as we’ve seen with abortion, there will be spillover effects that will impact your own privacy and health care.

Dangerous times.
 
One to justify letting her daughter die
All of Kerri Seekins-Crowe's children are alive, so no she wasn't justifying letting her daughter die. What she said was that she had to be the adult in the parent/child relationship and being the adult making the decisions isn't always easy but it is better than letting a child make decisions that will ruin their lives.

Your second clip that is supposedly in favor of trans kids instead drives home the point I've long made. A parent who would get breast implants for their 15-year-old girl so she could do better in beauty pageants is a bad parent, and a parent who would pursue drugs or surgery to forestall puberty so their pre-pubescent gymnast could do better in competitions is also a bad parent. I have no problem with that speaker's point equating the parents of trans kids, and beauty pageant surgery parents, and pre-pubescent surgery/drug gymnast parents. It is a sad truth that not all kids get good parents.
 
All of Kerri Seekins-Crowe's children are alive, so no she wasn't justifying letting her daughter die.
Thank you for the correction. She was justifying allowing a suicidal condition to continue instead.

What she said was that she had to be the adult in the parent/child relationship and being the adult making the decisions isn't always easy but it is better than letting a child make decisions that will ruin their lives.
That assumes you're lucky enough to that they live. What's even harder, and better, is giving your kids sufficient time and perspective to make good choices for themselves while they're young.

Your second clip that is supposedly in favor of trans kids instead drives home the point I've long made. A parent who would get breast implants for their 15-year-old girl so she could do better in beauty pageants is a bad parent, and a parent who would pursue drugs or surgery to forestall puberty so their pre-pubescent gymnast could do better in competitions is also a bad parent.
Perhaps. I hear there are whole leagues of people that shatter their bones, ruin their cartilage, tear their tendons, and do mountains of other damage to their bodies even as kids to play sports. Kids soccer and high school football are especially bad because of the concussions CET. Is the line that you don't take minor damage deliberately, but accidentally it's OK to risk your life?

I have no problem with that speaker's point equating the parents of trans kids, and beauty pageant surgery parents, and pre-pubescent surgery/drug gymnast parents.
That was not the speaker's point. The point was that the latter parents will continue to be free, in Montana, to get these treatments, and they are only being denied to trans kids, which means it's not about protecting all kids.
 
Anyone looking to 'protect' children would certainly have a football ban pretty high on their priorities list.

And yeah, she said pretty straightforwardly that she'd rather have her kid commit suicide than be transgender. That's messed up.
It is. But it also is right on brand for the same crowd who wanted to sacrifice their grandparents for the stock market. The devaluing of life in service of the authoritarian movement is common among budding fascist regimes. We live in precarious times. No one should say something so disgusting privately let alone publicly. I’m guessing her extremist views
Don’t begin or end with transphobia.

View: https://youtu.be/yCSDEilLllM
 
Anyone looking to 'protect' children would certainly have a football ban pretty high on their priorities list.
They also might want to try to do something about america's gun death problem. Lots and lots of children are killed by guns each year.
 
They also might want to try to do something about america's gun death problem. Lots and lots of children are killed by guns each year.
Fish please. We have the NRA’s god given right to sell whatever weapons to any irresponsible doofus out there that we must protect. How else will the NRA continue to make big time money for themselves and gun manufacturers if we impose moderate and sane gun regulations on them? If it means classrooms packed full of dead teachers and kids, then so be it.
 
Money and the NRAs fundraising doesn't help by any means, but I do think the gun issue has largely transcended money making. It's a lot of money to us obviously, but the firearm industry is just tiny compared to other industries.
 
I hear there are whole leagues of people that shatter their bones, ruin their cartilage, tear their tendons, and do mountains of other damage to their bodies even as kids to play sports. Kids soccer and high school football are especially bad because of the concussions CET. Is the line that you don't take minor damage deliberately, but accidentally it's OK to risk your life?
Participation in sport correlates with reduced suicidal ideation, reduced drug use, reduced risk for depression, and greater social supports. These benefits are seen in both male and female athletes, rich and poor, urban and rural, and all ethnic backgrounds. Furthermore the benefits are observed to be even greater in all areas mentioned above for high school aged athletes who participate in three sports during the year versus those who only participate in a single sport.

There is indeed the risk of injury, and in some sports such as football, I personally won’t allow my kid to participate in them and instead direct athletic efforts towards other sports, but I cannot say that even in those high risk sports the balance of harms isn’t in favor of letting kids play. If you want to show me that when viewed holistically that participation in soccer and high school football is worse than non-participation then I’m open to reading your argument.

The point was that the latter parents will continue to be free, in Montana, to get these treatments, and they are only being denied to trans kids, which means it's not about protecting all kids.
If that is the measure of what should or should not be passed then no law would ever be passed because no single law can ever stop all bad things from happening to all people. This law protects some kids in some situations. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
 
Participation in sport correlates with reduced suicidal ideation, reduced drug use, reduced risk for depression, and greater social supports. These benefits are seen in both male and female athletes, rich and poor, urban and rural, and all ethnic backgrounds. Furthermore the benefits are observed to be even greater in all areas mentioned above for high school aged athletes who participate in three sports during the year versus those who only participate in a single sport.

There is indeed the risk of injury, and in some sports such as football, I personally won’t allow my kid to participate in them and instead direct athletic efforts towards other sports, but I cannot say that even in those high risk sports the balance of harms isn’t in favor of letting kids play. If you want to show me that when viewed holistically that participation in soccer and high school football is worse than non-participation then I’m open to reading your argument.

If that is the measure of what should or should not be passed then no law would ever be passed because no single law can ever stop all bad things from happening to all people. This law protects some kids in some situations. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
I never thought I would see the day that you make the same argument that I have made regarding transgender athletes.

I mean how can you deny all these benefits to people based on their gender identity? Even more so, how can you deny these benefits to a group of people more at risk of the things you mention? Doing so would obviously be an act of cruelty and malice.
 
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I never thought I would see the day that you make the same argument that I have made regarding transgender athletes.

I mean how can you deny all these benefits to people based on their gender identity? Even more so, how can you deny these benefits to a group of people more at risk of the things you mention? Doing so would obviously be an act of cruelty and malice.
He thinks you're a bad and neglectful parent who's caused trauma to your kid, so not sure what answer you expect.
 
He thinks you're a bad and neglectful parent who's caused trauma to your kid, so not sure what answer you expect.
Yes, I should have disowned my 15 year old as soon as I found out they were transgender. That would have taught her. That's some next level thinking.
 
I never thought I would see the day that you make the same argument that I have made regarding transgender athletes.

I mean how can you deny all these benefits to people based on their gender identity? Even more so, how can you deny these benefits to a group of people more at risk of the things you mention? Doing so would obviously be an act of cruelty and malice.
I’ve been consistently in favor of all kids, including transgender kids, participating in athletics. What I am against is parents getting their 15-year old girl breast implants to do better in beauty pageants, or the parents of pre-pubescent gymnasts using surgery or drugs that can be seen as performance enhancing, or parents pushing their kids who have gone through or are going through puberty as biologically male competing in divisions intended for girls.
 
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I’ve been consistently in favor of all kids, including transgender kids, participating in athletics. What I am against is parents getting their 15-year old girl breast implants to do better in beauty pageants, or the parents of pre-pubescent gymnasts using surgery or drugs that can be seen as performance enhancing, or parents pushing their kids who have gone through or are going through puberty as biologically male competing in divisions intended for girls.
You're in luck. THEY DON'T DO THOSE SURGERIES ON KIDS!

You might be able to fish up about 3 exceptions over the last 10 years. And this narrative that this is a thing that parents are doing to their kids is bizarre.
 
Participation in sport correlates with reduced suicidal ideation, reduced drug use, reduced risk for depression, and greater social supports. These benefits are seen in both male and female athletes, rich and poor, urban and rural, and all ethnic backgrounds. Furthermore the benefits are observed to be even greater in all areas mentioned above for high school aged athletes who participate in three sports during the year versus those who only participate in a single sport.
That's a good argument to use other sports. However, I think you have causation reversed here. People who are tall, athletic, coordinated, etc., tend to have better self-images whether or not they play sports.

If that is the measure of what should or should not be passed then no law would ever be passed because no single law can ever stop all bad things from happening to all people.
Success rate is a distraction from the point. If the law was truly about protection, it would extend the protection of all.

This law protects some kids in some situations.
It protects none, and oppresses a large number under the guise of protection.
 
You're in luck. THEY DON'T DO THOSE SURGERIES ON KIDS!

You might be able to fish up about 3 exceptions over the last 10 years. And this narrative that this is a thing that parents are doing to their kids is bizarre.

They're barely happening on adults either for that matter. There's fairly few trans folks, not all get surgery in any capacity, very few have genital reassignment surgery (numbers are hard to track down, but one report from 2016 from the American Plastic Surgeon something or others said there were a grand total of 15 that year, all male to female).

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On the more personal anecdote level I know 10 trans people fairly well (3 F to NB, 2 M to NB, 2 F to M, 3 M to F). 4 have had top surgery, I believe 2 more are considering/planning it, and none have had bottom surgery. With 1 considering it (I think they are actually leaning towards a hysterectomy, so not a reassignment).
 
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