Sounds like a great topic at a church class. Not an appropriate setting.
You can't talk to them outside the class setting? OK. Do you think you truly understand what is best for these kids if you haven't had some of the basic conversations with them?
This was not your argument in your original response. You keep changing it every time you respond. Just like every other topic.
I accept comments that it was not how you read my words, and I'll even accept comments that my words could have been clearer. I extremely dislike the accusation of fundamental dishonesty you're making here. When I said, "If you see transitioning as some minor thing," I thought I was clear that 1) I wasn't worried about age restrictions for minor things, and 2) that being trans was not a minor thing.
I think sex is essential to a persons sense of self. This is very intimate and personal. So you are saying with this argument, that an 11 year old’s gender is the only sense of self, that is intimate and personal? I disagree.
There are many things that go into your sense of self, certainly.
This 11 year old knows he is only attracted to men. Old men. They want to experience this love. According to your argument this should be allowed.
I don't think the 11-year-old should be told that he's not allowed to be attracted to old men. I don't think he should be forced into a body he's not comfortable with to remove this attraction, or make it more difficult for him to act upon his attraction when he's of age. Those are the equivalents of what you are proposing for trans kids. Intimacy with another person is obviously more complicated than just knowing who you are, and I have no objection to age-of-consent laws. Your attempt at analogy is failing because the difference between "my body is wrong" and "I need to be celibate" is vast, as I think you would agree in other situations.
So when does someone know their self? Truly know themselves? 4 year old?
Never. We can never truly know everything about ourselves.
Cis a slur term. Please never use this term on these forums.
"Cis" comes from the prefix "cis-", just as "trans" comes from the prefix. "Cis-" is the opposite of "trans-". For example, "transalpine" means "on the other side of the Alps", while cisalpine means "on this side of the alps".
I’m sorry but calling it what it really is, is not a slur. Just because you don’t like the term doesn’t make it a slur. Do they use Lupron on criminals?
Read about Lupron, a new drug that's used to curb desire in pedophiles. Many doubt that sex offenders can be cured. Could chemical castration be the answer?
www.bostonmagazine.com
Boston Magazine published an article using slurs.
"Chemical castration" is a form of castration, which implies the loss of some function that is present. Delaying puberty is not castration, because there is no function to be lost. People use "chemical castration" in a misleading way, because castration is seen as a traumatic event by many, and they want to amp up the emotions by adding this baggage. Yes, they use chemical castration on grown sex criminals to decrease desires and impulses they currently have. You can't take away what is not there yet.
These were dramatic examples to make a point about how you don’t feel that there should be an age limit to any of this.
Define "this". Prior to puberty, there's not enough difference between boys and girls to justify any sort of medical intervention. Blocking puberty is a process we have a great deal of experience with, and understand the relatively low risks. Not every single trans child should be on puberty blockers (depending on other medical factors), but I don't have a reason to say it shouldn't be commonplace. Hormone therapy should only come after a sustained period of trans life and a decent psychological evaluation. Major surgeries almost exclusively should be performed on adults.
Maybe some of these procedures are being pushed by the guardians. Maybe some people in the medical field, just like every other field, will persuade people to make decisions to financially benefit themselves.
Your saying this based on talking with the parents of how many trans people, or the doctors that work in how many trans clinics?
Can this be a phase? Can these feelings be temporary?
Sure. That's why it's important to perform minimal, medically necessary interventions only. That's why it's important to have a person live the life before making any permanent changes.
My understanding is that de-transitioners make up around 10% of those who transition, and of them, only about a fifth regret transitioning. So, you're supporting the prevention of a helpful medical intervention for 90+% of the population based on the 2% who will wind up regretting it. That's protection?
Sure agree. The difference we have is, I feel that it should be done as adult. You feel any age is age appropriate. Thats it. It doesn’t make someone who believes in age appropriate decisions a bigot, transphobe, or any other name you want to call someone.
When you refer to "it", do you mean "puberty blocking" (because that is what I mentioned in my post), and are you suggesting the time to start blocking puberty is as an adult? I think you know biology better than that.
