Thread for responding to transphobic comments

[One Brow]

So I take it you lied about Chloe threatening suicide?

It's a conclusion based on what was in her testimony, and what was not in it. Prove it's not true. I'll wait.

... tell me what is wrong ...

Your ideas are based in ignorance and your own level of comfort, rather than science and sound medical practice. You justify your positions to yourself regardless of the hurt they cause to other posters, and regardless of the deaths that would happen if your suggestions were implemented. You rely on a false narrative of the treatment of trans kids spoon-fed to you by a media complex that is looking to make you angry more than inform you.

... here's GF agreeing with me ...

After all the personal pain you've inflicted on this topic for this poster, you have to be incredibly deluded or callous to make this claim with a straight face.

 

[SteakNEggs]

It's a conclusion based on what was in her testimony, and what was not in it. Prove it's not true. I'll wait.

I already did... I provided actual quotes from the lawsuit. You literally fabricated a lie to hate on this poor girl. You are a sick dude. Be honest with us all. Why did you blatantly lie?

The lawsuit alleges that the defendants coerced Cole into pursuing irreversible chemical and surgical interventions between the ages of 13 and 16 while “concealing less invasive treatments and by lying to her about her condition.”

I was fifteen when you cut into my body, ripped out my breasts and stitched me back up like I was your rag doll,” Cole charged. “You are on the wrong side of history and will always be remembered as child butchers.”

“Once I announced my intention to seek justice, I have not stopped receiving call after call, email after email, of parents and patients that have been harmed by these same practices, some of them even were butchered in the same building I was,” she added.

 

[SteakNEggs]

That's the lady who, at 15, repeatedly threatened suicide unless her parents and doctors agreed to her demands. Does she think she would be better off dead?

Where did this happen? Where is this testimony? Funny thing is... The phyciatrist even admitted that the pro-mutilate cult lie about this like you just did. You literally just proved my point. Just as GF just did. You are lying for a reason. Why else would you make up such a terrible lie? I thought you were being truthful as it takes a garbage human to make up such disgusting things. This is EXACTLY what you just did. You and these Doctors making huge money are the ones pushing mutilation or suicide... Not her.

Finland's top transgender treatment expert slams spread of 'disinformation' on children with gender confusion - and says 'four out of five' kids who question their gender grow out of it

• She says American doctors are 'using the fear of patient suicide' to convince parents their children need gender-affirming treatments @One Brow for example

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I'm going to ask you this. If you had a child, let's say 14 years old...

This 14-year-old, the week before you got the letter, what would their peers all agree that your 14-year-old was better than them at? Was your 14-year-old the best singer, fastest runner, quickest at math, most accurate archer, or most talented equestrian? There are almost an unending number of things a kid could be good at. In what way was your 14-year-old recognized as being superior?

In kindergarten, the teacher had two alien planets on the wall and each kid got their own rocketship that was moved each week a distance relative to the number of books they had read in Raz-Kids. My kid’s rocket was fastest by far. It wasn’t because he was the best reader but because I put in the time.

Over the years, he’s been the best at dozens of things and all have been the product of hard work. He’s now 10 and spends 4-6 days per week with coaches getting better at his main sport. I still work with him every day on academics. It isn’t the sport or academic over-achievement that is important. These points of accomplishment, of measure, of pride, especially as acknowledged by peers, form the scaffolding around which self-image is created and that will have impacts long after I’m gone.

Regardless of how you got there, you are where you are with your 14-year-old, and where you are is 23-35 months away from sending college applications to get into school. Tutors should be used to bring grades up. SAT/ACT test prep courses should be taken. A list of extracurriculars should be in the process of being accomplished, and a significant amount of effort should be put into developing a college admission spike.


View: https://youtu.be/M5MFVYvqCdU?t=79


The poverty rate for people identifying as transgender is through the roof. Most never attempt any college and they’re more likely to drop out when they do. Your kid has given you a flashing neon warning sign. The ability to support oneself is unflinching reality and it doesn’t care about your victim status.

The path you walk as a parent is 26 years long. That is how long it takes on average for the human brain to mature. At 14-years-old, you’re barely over half way. Even if you spent their early years too wrapped up in your own pursuits, it is not too late but you need to keep focus on the end goal: self-sufficiency. If you do not get all available efforts reallocated to that end goal then it I humbly submit a cautionary tale:

You know, we'll do what we can. They're an adult (but still living with us...), so all we can do really is support them.

I wish you success Gameface. I sincerely do. You are at a crossroads and things could go in a lot of directions.

My child has their friends over, also transgender mostly met each other in a youth support group. ... All of them live at home and have the support of their parent(s). When they are here they spend 90% of the time just talking and laughing while maybe watching a show. None of them are trying to win their school swim meet or wrestling trophy.

College applications in 23-35 months. Tick.tick.tick.

 

[SteakNEggs]

After all the personal pain you've inflicted on this topic for this poster, you have to be incredibly deluded or callous to make this claim with a straight face.

His words. This is literally what I've been saying. Kids do not need this but if you're 18, you're an adult and do what you wish. He agreed with me. I have not said a negative thing about trans people just that chemically castratrating kids and mutilating kids is wrong. "The medical organization that exists to support the transgender community is opposed to surgeries on patients younger than 18. "

That is EXACTLY what I've been saying this entire time. It's wrong to mutilate and give kids drugs that will eventually castrate them.

The medical organization that exists to support the transgender community is opposed to surgeries on patients younger than 18. Most major transgender organizations do not support gender affirming surgeries on patients younger than 18. M

 

[SteakNEggs]

Surgery was never an option because no one does that for a patient under 18.

It's just crazy that you all are literally agreeing that it's wrong then calling me a transphobe for pointing it out. And yes... A lot of kids under 18 have had gender affirming surgery. This is why I quoted you with a link about a hospital that is specifically made for such thing.

Why lie?

 

[SteakNEggs]

So @Gameface you are wrong. While the do not do "genital surgery" they do mutilate kids with other surgeries. There's plenty of these clinics around too. My boogyman is real, you on the other hand had to lie or possibly you just didn't know.

"Surgery was never an option because no one does that for a patient under 18."

The center currently offers vaginoplasty, metoidioplasty, phalloplasty, chest reconstruction, breast augmentation, facial harmonization and other gender affirmation surgeries to eligible patients. We are guided by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) standards and other criteria to surgically treat people who are stable in their gender identity and have documentation of persistent gender dysphoria. You do not need to be a GeMS patient to have surgery at the center. All genital surgeries are only performed on patients age 18 and older.

Center for Gender Surgery Program | Boston Children's Hospital

The Center for Gender Surgery offers gender affirmation surgery services to eligible adolescents and young adults. Learn more from Boston Children's Hospital.

www.childrenshospital.org

 

[Gameface]

This 14-year-old, the week before you got the letter, what would their peers all agree that your 14-year-old was better than them at? Was your 14-year-old the best singer, fastest runner, quickest at math, most accurate archer, or most talented equestrian? There are almost an unending number of things a kid could be good at. In what way was your 14-year-old recognized as being superior?

In kindergarten, the teacher had two alien planets on the wall and each kid got their own rocketship that was moved each week a distance relative to the number of books they had read in Raz-Kids. My kid’s rocket was fastest by far. It wasn’t because he was the best reader but because I put in the time.

Over the years, he’s been the best at dozens of things and all have been the product of hard work. He’s now 10 and spends 4-6 days per week with coaches getting better at his main sport. I still work with him every day on academics. It isn’t the sport or academic over-achievement that is important. These points of accomplishment, of measure, of pride, especially as acknowledged by peers, form the scaffolding around which self-image is created and that will have impacts long after I’m gone.

Regardless of how you got there, you are where you are with your 14-year-old, and where you are is 23-35 months away from sending college applications to get into school. Tutors should be used to bring grades up. SAT/ACT test prep courses should be taken. A list of extracurriculars should be in the process of being accomplished, and a significant amount of effort should be put into developing a college admission spike.


View: https://youtu.be/M5MFVYvqCdU?t=79


The poverty rate for people identifying as transgender is through the roof. Most never attempt any college and they’re more likely to drop out when they do. Your kid has given you a flashing neon warning sign. The ability to support oneself is unflinching reality and it doesn’t care about your victim status.

The path you walk as a parent is 26 years long. That is how long it takes on average for the human brain to mature. At 14-years-old, you’re barely over half way. Even if you spent their early years too wrapped up in your own pursuits, it is not too late but you need to keep focus on the end goal: self-sufficiency. If you do not get all available efforts reallocated to that end goal then it I humbly submit a cautionary tale:



I wish you success Gameface. I sincerely do. You are at a crossroads and things could go in a lot of directions.


College applications in 23-35 months. Tick.tick.tick.

You didn't address my post at all. That's why you're worthless to have a discussion with. This conversation was with my 15 year old... 6 years ago. Tick Tick Tick indeed.

 

[SteakNEggs]

You didn't address my post at all. That's why you're worthless to have a discussion with. This conversation was with my 15 year old... 6 years ago. Tick Tick Tick indeed.

I addressed your post and showed that you were lying or misinformed yet you ran away and threw a temper tantrum because you had absolutely no ground to stand on. Let's not be a hypocrite here.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You didn't address my post at all. That's why you're worthless to have a discussion with. This conversation was with my 15 year old... 6 years ago. Tick Tick Tick indeed.

I’ll be more direct so that you don’t miss the point.

You tell your kid that you love them no matter what. You’ll always be there for them. Go to the doctors and pick the least impactful course that you can. You are a decent human being who made a similar compassionate decision in that moment that most of us would have had we been in your shoes.

However, in my admittedly uninformed opinion, I don’t think most parents would have been in your shoes. In my admittedly uninformed opinion, I think you played a big role in manifesting these events into existence even if unintentionally. Beyond the lack of actively providing formative structure mentioned earlier, statements like the following I find disturbing:

If the person driving treatment options is anyone other than the transgender person then that is wrong and potentially criminal.

We were talking about ”a child, let's say 14 years old”. Should playing with loaded handguns be solely at the discretion of the 14-year old? How about fentanyl use? The total abdication of any parental responsibility in the way you view life-threatening decisions involving a child I find to be unsettling.

You also seem fond of explanations for the explosion in gender-nonconforming statistics that you have no control over. People were always this way but society has kept it repressed. Etc.

But I don’t know you, don’t know your situation. My opinion is admittedly uninformed. In the course of the six years since the events of your brave post, I hope your kid has become a happy and thriving adult. You said you were happy with the path you chose to raise your child, and that is what matters.

 

[One Brow]

I already did... I provided actual quotes from the lawsuit.

The lawsuit is meaningless in determining what really happened. Lawyers write in all kinds of things. You have zero evidence that the doctors were not relaying the words of Cole to her parents.

Why did you blatantly lie?

I didn't, and I stand by my conclusion. I am amused by your faith in what lawyer put into a complaint in a lawsuit.

Where did this happen? Where is this testimony?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpZJxMpG0N8


Her testimony runs from 00:50 to 2:30. I thought it was the Ohio legislature, but this is California. Note the use of the passive voice at 1:10 and again at 2:00 when referring to her parents being threatened with suicide.

Finland's top transgender treatment expert

According to who? The Daily Mail?

slams spread of 'disinformation' on children with gender confusion - and says 'four out of five' kids who question their gender grow out of it

Not everyone who 'questions their gender' will transition.

That is EXACTLY what I've been saying this entire time. It's wrong to mutilate and give kids drugs that will eventually castrate them.

Which of these drugs will castrate them? Not puberty blockers, nor Lupron.

 

[One Brow]

However, in my admittedly uninformed opinion,

Really, you should stop there, and get informed first.