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The Thriller said:
I thought this clip was interesting. I’ve never heard that Love Boat was woke or had actors grooming kids. But then again, this was before the GOP decided that punching out trans kids was going to be their top campaign issue to compensate for their failed economic and social policies.


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I really believed in the late 80s and early 90s that society was going somewhere and where we were going was better than the place we were leaving. I was so naive. If I could go back to 1995 and show myself what the U.S. was going to be like in 2023 I'd probably ruin my own life because I wouldn't even know why I would want to bother with this place. I certainly wouldn't have joined the military, even though that was undeniably the best decision I ever made for my own professional development and personal growth. I wouldn't have had the heart to do it if I knew that white Christian Nationalism was going to be a dominant political ideology that would purposefully be a real and tangible threat to my child. That hatred hidden behind fear of CRT and Transgender athletes would be prime motivating factors for something like 1/3 of American voters.

If I knew then what I know now I would have been more interested in burning it all down than playing along.
 
The Thriller said:
I thought this clip was interesting. I’ve never heard that Love Boat was woke or had actors grooming kids.
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Really? The actress in that clip is one of the most famous examples of kids being groomed that I'm aware of.
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Darkwing Duck said:
He thinks you're a bad and neglectful parent who's caused trauma to your kid, so not sure what answer you expect.
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To become good enough to be on the professional tennis circuit, the kid needs to start before they are 6-years old. Starting at 4-years old is better. At that age the lessons consist of kids chasing balloons around a tennis court with racquets. I’m against pushing tennis too hard and think keeping it casual or even occasional for elementary-aged kids is the way to go, but it is not possible to ever make up the ground if the kid doesn’t start batting balloons around with a racquet when they are 4 or 5 years old. There is something about the neuroplasticity at that age that permanently wires the brain into understanding the racquet as part of the arm, and once it is locked then it is locked. There is a similar phenomenon when it comes to developing perfect pitch although there is also a genetic component to that ability.

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There is no tennis pro conversion therapy or perfect pitch conversion therapy that later in life can overwrite the early childhood reaction to stimulus or lack thereof. I believe many things fall into that same category.
 
Gameface said:
If I knew then what I know now I would have been more interested in burning it all down than playing along.
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I can see how disillusionment would flow from an expectation of the world adapting to you. That isn’t how things have ever worked.
 
Today I listened to this song for the first time since my kid came out as NB/trans. I never really understood what it was about before, I just kind of liked it. But it hits like a ton of bricks now.

When I was born
They looked at me and said
What a good boy
What a smart boy
What a strong boy

And when you were born
They looked at you and said
What a good girl
What a smart girl
What a pretty girl

We've got these chains
Hanging 'round our necks
People want to strangle us with them
Before we take our first breath

Afraid of change
Afraid of staying the same
When temptation calls
We just look away

This name is the hair shirt I wear
And this hair shirt is woven from your brown hair
This song is the cross that I bear
Bear with me
Bear with me
Bear with me
Be with me tonight
I know that it isn't right
But be with me tonight

I go to school
I write exams
If I pass if I fail if I drop out
Does anyone give a damn?

And if they do
They'll soon forget
'Cause it won't take much for me
To show my life ain't over yet

I wake up scared
I wake up strange
I wake up wondering if anything in my life
Is ever gonna change

I wake up scared
I wake up strange
And everything around me stays the same

It's the hair shirt I wear
And this hair shirt is woven from
It's woven from your brown hair
This song is the cross that I bear
Bear with me
Bear with me
Bear with me
Be with me tonight
I know that it isn't right
But be with me tonight

I couldn't tell you
I was wrong
Chickened out grabbed a pen and a paper
Sat down and I wrote this song

I couldn't tell you
That you were right
So instead I looked in the mirror
Watched TV, laid awake all night

We've got these chains
Hanging round our necks
People want to strangle us with them
Before we take our first breath

Afraid of change
Afraid of staying the same
When temptation calls, yeah

This name is the hair shirt I wear
And this hair shirt is woven from
It's woven from
It's woven from your brown hair

This song is the cross that I bear
Bear with me
Bear with me
Bear with me
Be with me tonight

And when I was born
They looked at me and said
What a good boy
What a smart boy
What a strong boy

And when you were born
They looked at you and said
What a good girl
What a smart girl
What a pretty girl, yeah, yeah



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i0yZTeTZ4Q
 

MSN

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“Clear majorities of Americans support restrictions affecting transgender children, a Washington Post-KFF poll finds, offering political jet fuel for Republicans in statehouses and Congress who are pushing measures restricting curriculum, sports participation and medical care.

Most Americans don’t believe it’s even possible to be a gender that differs from that assigned at birth. A 57 percent majority of adults said a person’s gender is determined from the start, with 43 percent saying it can differ”.
 
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“Clear majorities of Americans support restrictions affecting transgender children, a Washington Post-KFF poll finds, offering political jet fuel for Republicans in statehouses and Congress who are pushing measures restricting curriculum, sports participation and medical care.

Most Americans don’t believe it’s even possible to be a gender that differs from that assigned at birth. A 57 percent majority of adults said a person’s gender is determined from the start, with 43 percent saying it can differ”.
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It is sad that 43% of people are that dumb. A child who was conceived biologically male will not be surrounded at some far off birthday by children and grandchildren that he gave birth to if only he changes his name to one that is stereotypically feminine and wears women’s clothes. The idea that sex is “assigned at birth” is for stupid people. That isn’t how biology works.

Claims that trans kids are being denied participation in athletics is also baseless propaganda. The reality is that parents are hiding their kids from harsh reality, and creating a fantasy world where their child’s name can be what they want, their clothes can be what they want, and they are surrounded by those who will pretend the fantasy is real, but athletic contests exist outside the fantasy bubble so their kids are forbidden by the fantasy keepers from going there. At my local High School, there is a girl on the football team. No one says “hey, you’re a boy because you play on a boy’s team” because she’s actually a girl. She doesn’t need to exist in a fantasy bubble and so her “gender assigned at birth” doesn’t stop her from participating in athletics even if that participation has to be with boys.

There isn’t a ton of long term data in the harm of fostering a gender fantasy world, but what there is has a brutal outlook and the more interventionist the treatment, the worse it is. The statistical divergence in the 11-13 year range after intervention is stark. In the end, the mortality rate after 30 years for those who underwent a gender intervention to cosplay as opposite their biological sex is roughly 20 times higher than the equivalent aged control groups who did not.

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Current Concerns About Gender-Affirming Therapy in Adolescents - Current Sexual Health Reports

Purpose of Review Results of long-term studies of adult transgender populations failed to demonstrate convincing improvements in mental health, and some studies suggest that there are treatment-associated harms. The purpose of this review is to clarify concerns about the rapid proliferation of...
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The solution isn't to wish harder, to intervene more, to get the government to mandate the fantasy be protected at all costs. It isn't real. The children aren't being prepared to deal with the real world. It is encouraging that 57% of people haven't lost their minds. I'll admit though that I do wonder what these parents of trans kids end game is? They know they aren't going to live forever to maintain the fantasy bubble for their child. How do they think this course of action they've chosen will end? Do they even look that far ahead, or do they concentrate so intently on what happens today that it blocks from view the long road ahead?
 
Al-O-Meter said:
The idea that sex is “assigned at birth” is for stupid people. That isn’t how biology works.
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The notion that there are only two sexes, or gender must be tied to extyernal b=genitalia, is also not how biology works.

Al-O-Meter said:
In the end, the mortality rate after 30 years for those who underwent a gender intervention to cosplay as opposite their biological sex is roughly 20 times higher than the equivalent aged control groups who did not.
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It is not surprising you didn't read the study closely:
This is the reanalysis of the original study [39]. To improve on the methodological deficiencies in the original analysis, the authors constructed two identically-sized comparison groups: the “intervention” group of gender dysphoric individuals who underwent surgery, and a “control” group gender dysphoric individuals who refrained from surgery. The new analysis showed no statistically significant differences in long-term mental health outcomes measures between the two.
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That means that the more serious cases of gender dysphoria (those that required transitioning) had their outcomes improved to statistical noise compared to those with less serious cases. The study supports gender-affirming care. Feeling as you clearly do, you probably could not let yourself read the study that way.
 
One Brow said:
That means that the more serious cases of gender dysphoria (those that required transitioning) had their outcomes improved...
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That is a sick way to say they were more likely to be dead. I'm sure you read the sentence immediately following where you chose to end your quote. For those who did not bother to dig in to One Brow's deception, here is the line that follows:

"...significant differences in long-term mental health outcomes measures between the two. It also revealed twice as many serious suicidal attempts in the group that underwent surgery compared to the controls"

That was a different study than the one with the chart above, but it is instructive is how harm correlates with the amount of intervention. Both groups were made up of individuals who had believed themselves to be nonbinary. Those nonbinary individuals who did not pursue surgery had HALF as many suicides as those who did pursue surgery. The development of identity is a natural process that takes some time and is not necessarily without pain but intervening to halt the process before the process naturally completes can have disastrous consequences.

One Brow said:
The study supports gender-affirming care. Feeling as you clearly do, you probably could not let yourself read the study that way.
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It says exactly the opposite. It says that gender-affirming care is harmful, with the more intrusive surgicial course of "care" being even more harmful.
 
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Al-O-Meter said:
That is a sick way to say they were more likely to be dead.
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After treatment, they were less likely to commit suicide. Your inability to acknowledge this simple fact indicates where the real sickness lies.

Al-O-Meter said:
"...significant differences in long-term mental health outcomes measures between the two. It also revealed twice as many serious suicidal attempts in the group that underwent surgery compared to the controls"
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A difference that did not reach statistical significance, and is to be expected of the more serious cases.

Al-O-Meter said:
... but it is instructive is how harm correlates with the amount of intervention.
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The next time I teach statistics, I might use you as a prime example of people who think correlation means causation, and even then get the likely order of the two confused.

Al-O-Meter said:
It says exactly the opposite.
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Yes, we know of your inability to read and understand the scientific literature.
 
SteakNEggs said:
Another day another blatant attack on women and their rights. Eradicating them LITERALLY... They can't define a woman... This man won by 17 minutes...
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This was so appropriate coming after the article in the Onion. You're so ridiculous you made satire real.
 
One Brow said:
This was so appropriate coming after the article in the Onion. You're so ridiculous you made satire real.
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Pathological Liar. You lie about everything. My god. Like at some point you need help bro. Not trying to hate, honest to God... I seriously swear... but you seriously lie about everything and you don't even realize it. EVERYTHING ... Literally... Every...single...thing...

"She won her age group handily, beating second-place racer Lindsay Kriete by 17 minutes and third-place finisher Michelle Van Sickle by more than 30."

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Woman who came in second place says she had no idea victor was trans

Lindsey Kriete, who was absent from the podium after she came in second place to a transgender woman said she had no idea she even placed.
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Trans cyclist stands alone on podium after winning age group in female category

Lesley Mumford is the latest cyclist to beat the competition, this time in a 100-mile gravel race in Colorado last weekend.
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Cyclists No Show Post-Race Podium After Biological Male Finishes 1st In Female Race

Trans cyclist Lesley Mumford proudly posted an Instagram photo standing atop the first-place podium. But he was all alone.
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Trans cyclist stands alone on podium after winning age group in female category

Lesley Mumford is the latest cyclist to beat the competition, this time in a 100-mile gravel race in Colorado last weekend.
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Women refuse to stand at winner’s podium after transgender cyclist finishes in first place in women’s category

Lesley Mumford, who transitioned in 2017, won in the female category of the 100-mile Desert Gravel Co2Ut. Mumford also came in sixth overall in the female category of the race.
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Just a healthy forum with healthy discussion by people with good intentions...

Love to see it!
 
Gameface said:
Just a healthy forum with healthy discussion by people with good intentions...

Love to see it!
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There's definitely no disturbingly wishing a painful death on other posters... That's for certain. That would be extremely unhealthy imo. Disgusting and inhumane actually.

There are obvious physical differences between men and women. This guy was a career law enforcement that could've used the trans bracket but didn't because he knew he wouldn't win. This is stealing. This is real life not some onion piece. Women fought long and hard for their right to compete in sports without male intervention.
 
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SteakNEggs said:
There's definitely no disturbingly wishing a painful death on other posters... That's for certain. That would be extremely unhealthy imo. Disgusting and inhumane actually.

There are obvious physical differences between men and women. This guy was a career law enforcement that could've used the trans bracket but didn't because he knew he wouldn't win. This is stealing. This is real life not some onion piece. Women fought long and hard for their right to compete in sports without male intervention.
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I said I wouldn't be sad if you died. That's 100% true. It was specifically because of your anti-vax stance, which leads to death of people more innocent than you. Your anti-trans stance also leads to harm to trans people, whom I value more than you, but that wasn't the motivation for that statement.

That is different than wishing death on you.

English is fun!
 
Gameface said:
I said I wouldn't be sad if you died. That's 100% true. It was specifically because of your anti-vax stance, which leads to death of people more innocent than you. Your anti-trans stance also leads to harm to trans people, whom I value more than you, but that wasn't the motivation for that statement.

That is different than wishing death on you.

English is fun!
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You also called me a murderer and said I should be in jail. Made me think of internment camps or something with the sheer vileness. Thats equally disgusting. I have hurt no one. I am not anti trans neither. I am anti child mutilation and anti men stealing rights from women. I'm fully vaccinated btw. I'm protected and have little to worry about yet you call me a murderer. Drama *** bs...

And no it's not. You wished me a painful death. Nice try It's an absolutely disgusting thing for a human to say. Grotesque... I could say A LOT more about you and your dirty laundry but Ill bite my tongue.

I don't wish harm or death on anyone unlike you. I wish trans people the best as I'm actually trying to protect them from making life altering decisions before adulthood. And scientifically they do have advantages in sports. That's not hate. That's facts. I have compassion for all but I also can disagree with castrating kids and violating women's Title IX rights to fair sports.

I'll leave it at that with you
 
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