One Brow
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That depends upon where you live and what you value. Biden has gotten a few things done, here in Illinois we got a few more, Minnesota is hitting the ball out of the park.
Donald is about to go through some things...
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The Thriller
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Weird. And suddenly mongoose reappears! What a coincidence
Mongoose
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Think whatever simple minded thing you want. It doesn’t matter to me. I know you think there’s only a tiny fraction of people out there that disagree with you because you spend your time here in an echo chamber obsessing about your alter ego, but reality is your views and opinions are in the small minority. I mean have you seen the viewing numbers for cnn?
I mean Anderson Cooper has to explain to the cnn audience what a democracy is, and how news works. I’d recommend you watch the first 3 minutes again.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_mRwgxEtwJM&pp=ygUYQW5kZXJzb24gY29vcGVyIG9uIHRydW1w
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The Thriller
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And insults and posts exactly the way jazzy would.
Pretty sure spamming the forum using multiple accounts is at least discouraged if not in violation of forum rules. Right? Can I get a mod to confirm? Genuinely curious.
****** bored people unhappy with their lives get their jollies off trolling others online.
Pretty sure spamming the forum using multiple accounts is at least discouraged if not in violation of forum rules. Right? Can I get a mod to confirm? Genuinely curious.
****** bored people unhappy with their lives get their jollies off trolling others online.
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SteakNEggs
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Wanna bet a permanent ban that I'm not mongoose? Mod ban me straight up if I am mongoose. I'll admit I did slightly spam but there is a lot to unload on the hoax you all pathologically pushed for 6 years now. A LOT! The irony of you constantly calling me a victim but you run straight to a mod. Who's the real victim here? Not me Thriller.
See this is how you put false accusations to rest. You put your money where your mouth is like I just did and always do. This is just another conspiracy you randomly fabricated now that you've been proven embarrassed. You guys will make up anything to get out of admitting you were so astonishingly easy to manipulate to fall for this hoax. This is what you guys do. Instead of prove either of us wrong you get angry(in some cases violently wishing death) and create pathological lies to change course. You bully and bully so you don't have to address that your masters spoon fed you a conspiracy knowing damn well you don't have the ability to decipher your own truth.
It's a cowardly but effective tactic that The Hoaxers and Democrats have perfected.(I'm not calling anyone cowards but this tactic is). Can't actually fight facts? Bully.
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One Brow
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I see a difference in style and political positions.
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Well ya, he is going to try to be a bit different of course to not be obvious.
I too see a difference between them. But also see many many similarities. I also see how they dont post at the same time…… well until someone pointed out that they dont post at the same time. Then of course right after it was pointed out suddenly they were posting at the same time.
I dont know if they are the same person but there is enough there to warrant an investigation imo.
Mongoose
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So folks that aren't you and your group aren't allowed to share similar opinions? I guess this is what you are being taught politically and socially that folks you disagree with should not be allowed to express opinions. They should be quieted by force if you disagree with them, is that right? Because a couple of posters here don't sound exactly like you and they don't say exactly the same things as you and your buddies, they are a problem. Should there be some punishment for making false accusations, because there is someone here that you disagree with?
Mongoose
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Obama was president since 2009 and Bush was also hesitant to send weapons to Ukraine as president before him, like I mentioned. They did send aid reluctantly at the behest of the MIC and low and behold the conflict with Russia escalated.
One Brow
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If we had not armed Ukraine, it would now be a Russian province. Tyrants and dictators don't respect military weakness; they exploit it.
Al-O-Meter
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Exactly! Russia was doing what Russia does. It is what they did when they attacked Chechnya. It is what they did when they attacked Georgia. It is what they did when they attacked Crimea. The initial shipment of weapons to Ukraine are what stopped Russia, and Russia stayed stopped until Biden projected weakness by publicly stating that America would allow Russia to attack Ukraine so long as it was only a "minor incursion".
This is what a leader projecting weakness looks like:
"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do." -President Biden Jan. 19,2022
36 day after President Biden expressed military wishy-washiness, Russia rolled in to Ukraine.
Mongoose
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Why do you think Bush and Obama and Trump were all hesitant and reluctant to send arms to them then? Do you think those presidents failed by not arming Ukraine to the teeth while they were in office?
Al-O-Meter
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One of those Presidents was different than the other two. Neither Bush or Obama would agree to sending lethal aid to Ukraine. Trump did send arms. The perceived hesitation from Trump over arms shipments was from his apparent attempt at a quid pro quo to get information on the corruption of the Bidens during the Obama administration. It wasn't from fear things would escalate.
History has proved Trump's actions at arming the Ukrainians correct. That period was the only period in which Russia didn't invade one of its neighbors.
View: https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1499055907099099153
Then Biden came in to office, okayed a "minor incursion" into Ukraine and now we have a lot of dead people. Thanks Joe!
Mongoose
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That’s interesting… so you don’t see his hesitation to send weapons until he had selfish reasons to send them as hesitation then? That’s an interesting take- tell me more.
Trump Resisted Sale of Javelins to Ukraine
Republicans are defending him in the impeachment inquiry by saying he gave more military aid than his predecessor, but it came only after the reluctant…
foreignpolicy.com
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One Brow
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1) Putin had not made his most aggressive moves in the timeframe you are discussing.
2) Until the 2014 revolution, Ukraine was exceptionally corrupt.
No. Things change, and policies must adapt to the changes.
One Brow
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Attacking Kiev would not be (and was not) a "minor incursion", regardless.
Mongoose
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Obama was still president in 2014, why not send them the weapons after the revolution?
All that time those presidents were being pressured to send aid by those "humanitarians" of the pentagon and department of defense.
Maybe all those presidents were just waiting for selfish reasons to send aid and the military industrial complex was trying to save lives and avoid conflict by "deterring" Russia. How sad...
One Brow
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Sometimes revolutions reduce corruption, sometimes they increase it. I'm sure that level of corruption was not the only reason.
Mongoose
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Yes I'm sure Obama had righteous reasons or perhaps he didn't have enough selfish reasons to send aid and weapons. If only he had listened to those war machine humanitarians.
So you think Ukraine is potentially exceptionally corrupt, yet you still want to continue to send them tens of billions of dollars and prolonging a war that is costing hundreds of thousands of lives?
Al-O-Meter
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Not at all. What I'm saying is that your claimed motivation is an ahistorical revisionist fantasy. There is zero evidence that Trump was fearful of escalation. The phone call to Zelensky wasn't Trump claiming he had the weapons, the greatest weapons really. The weapons are so good, but they can't be sent. Trump wanted to send the weapons but his advisors said no. It would escalate conflict they said.
That is not how things went down, and Javelins are a single weapon system. We were sending weapons under Trump, and even sending Javelins. I've heard no one but you claim any delay on the part of Trump was over fears of escalation.
Trump sent the weapons and for a time we had peace. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
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