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infection said:
I know that history is often not kind to times where you prioritize “potential” over a more established player (like Favors and Kanter over Millsap), but I’d honestly just rather roll with Hendricks and George over making moves for big minute eaters like Collins and Herro. I know, I know, cue all the reasons why they’re not mutually exclusive and how minutes are earned and development and Hardy and etc., etc., etc.
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I think we are headed for a mid 30s win season... if Herro and Collins are more heavily involved maybe we are headed for a low 40s win season. That's fine but giving up a pick (or three if you are @Saint Cy of JFC ) and tying up a lot of future cap to get that boost? IDK... would obviously want to see what the move looks like... would also be nice to know the end game cuz a Herro/JC backcourt seems kinda weird.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:

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Some more Tyler Herro rumors... starting to feel kinda John Collinsy with how often his name is connected to us. The roster has some fit issues/duplication that give me concern. In a vacuum I get it... if something like this happens I think its another year of waiting for the second shoe to drop. Last year it was "when are we moving Mike?". This year it would be "when are we moving JC or Sexton?"

I won't be shocked if it happens... I'd just like to know what the long term plan is (or if there is one other than "get good players")
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Oh lord have mercy!! Trading for Herro would be a huge mistake!!! I still don’t understand the Collins trade and this would be even more idiotic. Why can’t the jazz just build slow for once? We are just making the same mistakes. Grabbing high usage bucket getters to sacrifice defense. I wasn’t a fan of the Hendricks pick or any of the picks last draft, but at least with Hendricks we were adding defense, but then we add Collins to keep Hendricks on the bench and now we are rumored to want Herro to add to Clarkson and blocking Agbaji who has potential as a really good 3&D. Sometimes when thinking about this rebuild I get the 3 blind mice song running in my head. This damn org has 3 blind mice in charge it feels like some times.
 
Also his contract is a non-issue imo. Even if he doesnt get better, it's still going to be a crazy value in the final 2 years.
 
I like Herro A LOT. I do have a few questions

1st - would it take 1 or 2 first round picks? I figure 2 since Miami needs more picks to the Lillard trade happen.

2nd - what players would be included in the trade? I could see a combo of Olynyk, THT, or Sexton to make it happen.

3rd - how would he fit on the team? If Clarkson can play PG maybe he would work but I also like Agbaji and Herro will cut into his development. Depending on who is included it could really complicate the rotation. I figure a second trade would have to happen. There is also the development of George.

4th - is the what would the second trade look like? Assuming THT and Olynyk are the trade the rumor i heard for Sexton was for Grayson Allen and Pat Connaughton. That just complicates the rotation.

I guess agbaji could play the 3, but Herro and Allen seem to lack a lot of defense.

I really want to see what George, Hendricks and sensabaugh can bring before making and big moves.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Also his contract is a non-issue imo. Even if he doesnt get better, it's still going to be a crazy value in the final 2 years.
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It is fine if he doesn't get better but not a "crazy value". A rising cap will lift all contracts in value... so Sexton's would also rise in value as time passes. It isn't an "issue" per se... but if one player makes 35-40% more than another player then part of the trade is that the player should be 35-40% better... plus whatever else you had to give up.

If Miami could get two good firsts and expiring salary for Herro then Dame would have been in Miami a while ago. That player type has trended down a bit.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It is fine if he doesn't get better but not a "crazy value". A rising cap will lift all contracts in value... so Sexton's would also rise in value as time passes. It isn't an "issue" per se... but if one player makes 35-40% more than another player then part of the trade is that the player should be 35-40% better... plus whatever else you had to give up.

If Miami could get two good firsts and expiring salary for Herro then Dame would have been in Miami a while ago. That player type has trended down a bit.
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I don't think Portland is just looking for any picks. Thats the issue. Miami could easily get that for Herro, but Portland wants premium stuff.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I don't think Portland is just looking for any picks. Thats the issue. Miami could easily get that for Herro, but Portland wants premium stuff.
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They want as much as they can get. If Miami could get that for Herro they'd have 4-5 firsts they can offer plus Jovic and Jaquez. None of us know what Portland wants but that is a good haul for Dame. There is a report that Miami doesn't even know what it will take because Portland hasn't told them... they just want all of everything possible. Whether its prospects or picks.

If I had to guess at what the sticking points are it would be Portland trying to stick Nurkic's deal in the trade and finding a good return for Herro that returns stuff that Portland wants.
 
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