FalseFlagg K
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c'mon Jim Jones was just misunderstood
The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread
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Al-O-Meter
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They weren't angels but they did very little while Trump was President. The reason for that is the answer to your earlier question about what Trump did to keep us out of war. Trump assassinated Qasem Soleimani. Iran launched missiles against an American military base in Iraq, and Trump assassinated Qasem Soleimani for it.
That assassination changed the world. The United States didn't do assassination. Executive Order 11905 states “No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination.” We've bent the rules in the past but there was usually deniability or some third party rebel group we'd credit. With Qasem Soleimani, Trump boasted of killing the Iranian government official on video. Iran was responsible for the deaths of some American soldiers in Iraq so Trump killed a senior member of the Iranian government. Trump sent the message that he had the most powerful military in the world and the most effective intelligence agency who could find anyone anytime they wanted to. From that point forward, neither the President of Iran nor the Ayatollahs on the Iranian Guardian Council felt like pushing to see if Trump considered them fair game.
Biden came to power and made overtures to thaw relations with Iran. Now we have Iran-backed proxy groups making war.
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You’re entitled to your own opinions. But you’re not entitled to your own facts.
You have your timeline wrong. Qasem Soleimani was killed first. He was killed on Jan 3, 2020. Then Iran launched a missile attack against an American airbase which resulted in 110 American causalities. This was done on Jan 8, 2020. Trump didn’t assassinate Soleimani for the attack on an American base in response to Iran’s attack. Iran attacked an American base in response to the assassination. Facts matter. Having said that, Soleimani wasn’t a good dude. He had a long history of conducting terrorist operations on behalf of the Iranian government. So this was one of the few times the Trump administration did a good thing.
I’m sure if we looked back, probably outraged a bunch of you “conservative” posters seeing how limp impotent Trump led 110 Americans to the slaughter. Right? Right???
Like I’ve said before, garbage info in garbage info out. When you’re nothing but a zombie that worships Trump, you tend to get facts mixed up. Soleimani was assasinated first. Iran then retaliated and killed 110 Americans. Which I’m sure made zombies like you, Jazzy, Franklin, and other Trump cultists big angry, right?
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You’re entitled to your own opinions. But you’re not entitled to your own facts.
You have your timeline wrong. Qasem Soleimani was killed first. He was killed on Jan 3, 2020. Then Iran launched a missile attack against an American airbase which resulted in 110 American causalities. This was done on Jan 8, 2020. Trump didn’t assassinate Soleimani for the attack on an American base in response to Iran’s attack. Iran attacked an American base in response to the assassination. Facts matter. Having said that, Soleimani wasn’t a good dude. He had a long history of conducting terrorist operations on behalf of the Iranian government. So this was one of the few times the Trump administration did a good thing.
I’m sure if we looked back, probably outraged a bunch of you “conservative” posters seeing how limp impotent Trump led 110 Americans to the slaughter. Right? Right???
Like I’ve said before, garbage info in garbage info out. When you’re nothing but a zombie that worships Trump, you tend to get facts mixed up. Soleimani was assasinated first. Iran then retaliated and killed 110 Americans. Which I’m sure made zombies like you, Jazzy, Franklin, and other Trump cultists big angry, right?
Operation Martyr Soleimani - Wikipedia
Um America doesn't assassinate people? Um read a bit about the history of your CIA in central and south America and try to get that dog to hunt anywhere...
Al-O-Meter
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There was usually deniability or some third party rebel group we'd credit. The US President didn't usually hold a press conference to personally take credit. The assassination of Qasem Soleimani was blatant in a way that earlier CIA actions were not.
Interesting take, I would say Trump exploited the moment politically in a way that was both embarrassing to your country and the institution of President, an office that he debased with every day of his Presidency.
Al-O-Meter
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Sorry to ruin your pristine image of our Presidents but every one of them has been ruthlessly vicious if you look close enough, some more than others, and some to greater effect than others.
1 in 5 business leaders may have psychopathic tendencies—here's why, according to a psychology professor
Narcissism involves an unrealistic sense of grandiosity and superiority, manifested in the form of vanity, self-admiration and delusions of talent. This is commonly found in bosses, according to psychology professor Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic. But it doesn't always have to be a bad thing.
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From 2016 to 2020, the world was a less hostile place. Iran mostly stayed in their box. We had troops in Afghanistan but went 18 months without a single service member being killed. Russia had paused their effort to reacquire Soviet territories. Middle Eastern nations were normalizing relations with Israel. Maybe you don't approve of the messenger or the message but the results achieved make the current White House occupant look inept.
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SteakNEggs
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You're talking to the "dead baby is a dead baby" crew. These guys make peace out to be a negative while supporting a president that literally bombed a family, killing 7 children, for nothing more than optics. People wonder why nobody is afraid of the Biden administration, yet they have literally failed at every foreign policy decision they have made. This is why Iran and other other terrorist organizations are bombing US bases and murdering US soldiers. Can you imagine the response if Trump was president to Iran bombing US bases? Well that would've never happened as Trump took a tremendous amount of money away from the terrorist, and Biden proceeded to remove those sanctions. Biden is a massive failure in everything he touches. Peace does not matter to these people... the only thing that matters is that they get even with Trump even though he has never harmed them in any fashion.Sorry to ruin your pristine image of our Presidents but everyone one of them has been ruthlessly vicious if you look close enough, some more than others, and some to greater effect than others.
1 in 5 business leaders may have psychopathic tendencies—here's why, according to a psychology professor
Narcissism involves an unrealistic sense of grandiosity and superiority, manifested in the form of vanity, self-admiration and delusions of talent. This is commonly found in bosses, according to psychology professor Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic. But it doesn't always have to be a bad thing.
From 2016 to 2020, the world was a less hostile place. Iran mostly stayed in their box. We had troops in Afghanistan but went 18 months without a single service member being killed. Russia had paused their effort to reacquire Soviet territories. Middle Eastern nations were normalizing relations with Israel. Maybe you don't approve of the messenger or the message but the results achieved make the current White House occupant look inept.
The US military on Friday admitted that it killed 10 civilians — including seven children and aid worker Zemari Ahmadi in a drone strike near Kabul’s airport last month — and not Islamic State bomb plotters, as it originally claimed.
Marine Corps Gen. Kenneth McKenzie Jr., commander of US Central Command, said the civilians “were tragically killed” on Aug. 29, one day before the final chaotic Biden administration evacuation flights from Kabul.
“I am now convinced that as many as 10 civilians, including up to seven children, were tragically killed in that strike,” McKenzie said at a press conference.
“We now assess that it is unlikely that the vehicle and those who died were associated with ISIS-K or a direct threat to US forces.”
Biden administration admits killing 10 civilians in Kabul airstrike, no ISIS-K
The Pentagon admitted Friday that a drone strike that killed multiple civilians in Afghanistan last month killed only civilians snd not an Islamic State extremist as it first reported.
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Red
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What a surprise….
www.politico.eu
“Donald Trump will totally stop funding Ukraine if he wins the U.S. election in November, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said following a meeting between the right-wing figureheads.
“He will not give a penny in the Ukraine-Russia war,” Orbán told Hungarian state media Sunday. “Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine can not stand on its own feet.”
The longtime allies met last Friday at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, a summit which was lambasted by U.S. President Joe Biden”.
Donald Trump won’t give ‘a penny’ to Ukraine if elected, Orbán says
Hungarian leader praised Republican front-runner as a “man of peace.”
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“Donald Trump will totally stop funding Ukraine if he wins the U.S. election in November, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said following a meeting between the right-wing figureheads.
“He will not give a penny in the Ukraine-Russia war,” Orbán told Hungarian state media Sunday. “Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine can not stand on its own feet.”
The longtime allies met last Friday at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, a summit which was lambasted by U.S. President Joe Biden”.
Al-O-Meter
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Do you want war? Does it make you happy to see young people maimed and killed?What a surprise….
Donald Trump won’t give ‘a penny’ to Ukraine if elected, Orbán says
Hungarian leader praised Republican front-runner as a “man of peace.”
“Donald Trump will totally stop funding Ukraine if he wins the U.S. election in November, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said following a meeting between the right-wing figureheads.
“He will not give a penny in the Ukraine-Russia war,” Orbán told Hungarian state media Sunday. “Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine can not stand on its own feet.”
The longtime allies met last Friday at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, a summit which was lambasted by U.S. President Joe Biden”.
Putin is a bad guy and I would very much like to see him lose everything but I’m not so blinded by a thirst for karmic justice that I can’t see the writing on the wall. Ukraine does not have enough able-bodied people to recapture all the territory lost since 1991.
As much as it is popular to blame Congressional Republicans for the war not going well, the aid package being held up is half the size of what the US provided the previous year, and Ukraine even with double the inflow of aid did not recapture large chunks of territory.
The average age of Ukrainian military service members today is 43 years old. They are old men. The young and eager have long since been killed or wounded. Those who didn’t rush to join are fleeing the country or bribing officials to avoid conscription.
Meanwhile, Russia has successfully transitioned to a wartime economy with arms production now accounting for a full 6% of their economy thanks to China and India buying all the oil Russia can pump. Russia actually has a budget surplus and is able to produce more munitions than all NATO powers combined.
I don’t want to see the bad guys win, but the bad guys are going to win this one. If you’ve got a plan for what you think can be accomplished, or can show me some benefit to continuing the war, I’m open to listening. If all you’ve got is vague rhetoric like “as long as it takes”, or hate for Putin, or worst of all, hate for half of your fellow Americans, then I don’t agree with you.
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Exactly.
If Russia decides to invade the US then we should obviously just surrender as to avoid war. Just give them whatever they want whenever they want
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