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I do not believe the defense would agree the seated panel was impartial, only the best they could do of the pool of jurors made available to them. As for being manipulated, the whole point of letting trial lawyers speak is to manipulate the jurors into delivering a favorable verdict for their client.
Were they biased? Sure. Everyone has biases. Were they manipulated? Yes, but that isn’t in and of itself the issue.
Do I have evidence Judge Juan Merchan donating to Biden’s Presidential campaign, and to a group called 'Stop Republicans'? Yes, and those donations were prohibited under state judicial ethics rules but Judge Merchan did it anyway.
Do I have evidence Judge Juan Merchan’s daughter is the President of a company whose revenue sources include the Biden campaign? Again, yes. Biden Campaign funds are enriching Judge Juan Merchan’s daughter, and Judge Merchan issued a gag order to forbid that fact being mentioned.
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Knowing that English isn't your first language, I think you are misunderstanding that word. A thing that is 'perceived' is observed, understood, or grasped. While it is possible for something to be perceived to be not real, that usually isn't the case.
Does it help you if the sentence had been written as: "he is their retribution against observed enemies" or "he is their retribution against understood enemies"?
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So weird that I saw something mentioned everywhere despite a gag order to forbid that something to be mentioned. It's almost like the gag order didn't prevent anyone from knowing about it.
Poor trump. Always the victim.
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Poor trump. Always the victim.
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If I observe or understand a pillow to be my enemy does that in fact make the pillow my enemy? Or would it just be my strange and incorrect perception of the pillow being my enemy but the actual truth be that the pillow isn't my enemy.
Trumpers think I'm their enemy because I hate like trump. But I'm a gun owner who believes in the 2nd amendment. I'm extremely anti immigration. I hate abortion. I want less government and less government spending. I think Biden sucks and want to vote for someone else. I love America.
Am I really their enemy because they observe and understand me hating trump or is that just their incorrect perception?
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Trumpers think I'm their enemy because I hate like trump. But I'm a gun owner who believes in the 2nd amendment. I'm extremely anti immigration. I hate abortion. I want less government and less government spending. I think Biden sucks and want to vote for someone else. I love America.
Am I really their enemy because they observe and understand me hating trump or is that just their incorrect perception?
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Thanks for being condescending. Not like I'm a high school English teacher by trade.
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“I do believe the Supreme Court should step in. Obviously this is totally unprecedented and it’s dangerous to our system,” Speaker Mike Johnson said.
“This is diminishing the American people’s faith in our system of justice itself and, to maintain a republic, you have to have that, people have to believe that justice is fair, that there’s equal justice under law.
“They don’t see that right now and I think that the justices on the court – I know many of them personally– I think they’re deeply concerned about that, as we are.
In theory, the case eventually could be taken up by the Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, due to three justices which were nominated to the bench by the former president.
Imagine if the trial was still going on and Biden spoke to reporters and said "trump really needs to be found guilty and I think judge merchan will step in and convict him himself, jury or not, I know judge merchan personally"
Trump’s defense attorney, Todd Blanche, told CNN on Thursday that his client had not received a fair hearing. He said that it was not possible to assemble an impartial jury in Manhattan and that it had not been “normal” to bring a case concerning events that occurred eight years ago.
Not possible to assemble an impartial jury in Manhattan? As of 2023 there were 106,000 registered republicans living in Manhattan. There are also a ton of independent voters in Manhattan. All they needed was one juror to say not guilty. The evidence must have been overwhelming.
Trump’s defense attorney, Todd Blanche, also suggested that Trump’s appeal of the conviction might center on those accusations of bias, the location of the trial, its timing during a US election year and the salacious testimony of Daniels.
So the appeal wouldn't be due to any issue with any of the actual evidence.
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It’s true that this case was initially a federal case, initiated by federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York. In fact, they’re the ones who prosecuted Michael Cohen, who paid Stormy Daniels in the hush money scandal. At that point, did federal prosecutors conclude that the case was simply over and walk away? Not exactly."
"What they actually found was that Cohen acted at Trump’s direction and to Trump’s benefit. Why didn’t prosecutors pursue the matter further? According to Geoffrey Berman — the Trump-appointed U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York, who wrote a book about his experiences — it’s because there was political interference from other Trump appointees who ordered prosecutors to end their investigation."
"Indeed, according to Berman’s book, then-Attorney General Bill Barr not only intervened in the case, he tried to kill the ongoing investigation and even suggested that Cohen’s conviction should be reversed."
"The GOP committee chairs wrote yesterday that federal prosecutors “determined that no additional people would be charged alongside Cohen,” but they conveniently overlooked why they made that determination."
"It wasn’t because of a thorough review of the law; it was because Trump’s attorney general told them to stop — because in the previous administration, the brazen politicization of federal law enforcement was the norm."
New York State Judiciary Law § 14 - Disqualification of judge by reason of interest or consanguinity - doesn't require a Judge to recuse himself in the circumstances that Trump's lawyers have described (eg, Judge Merchan's daughter, his $15 campaign donation years ago).
This is why the NY Supreme Court denied Trump's Motion to have the Judge recused.
New York State Advisory Committee on Judicial Ethics - opinion Trump hush money case:
"On the facts before us, we conclude the judge’s impartiality cannot reasonably be questioned based on the judge’s relative’s business and/or political activities, and the judge is not ethically required to disclose them."
"What they actually found was that Cohen acted at Trump’s direction and to Trump’s benefit. Why didn’t prosecutors pursue the matter further? According to Geoffrey Berman — the Trump-appointed U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York, who wrote a book about his experiences — it’s because there was political interference from other Trump appointees who ordered prosecutors to end their investigation."
"Indeed, according to Berman’s book, then-Attorney General Bill Barr not only intervened in the case, he tried to kill the ongoing investigation and even suggested that Cohen’s conviction should be reversed."
"The GOP committee chairs wrote yesterday that federal prosecutors “determined that no additional people would be charged alongside Cohen,” but they conveniently overlooked why they made that determination."
"It wasn’t because of a thorough review of the law; it was because Trump’s attorney general told them to stop — because in the previous administration, the brazen politicization of federal law enforcement was the norm."
New York State Judiciary Law § 14 - Disqualification of judge by reason of interest or consanguinity - doesn't require a Judge to recuse himself in the circumstances that Trump's lawyers have described (eg, Judge Merchan's daughter, his $15 campaign donation years ago).
This is why the NY Supreme Court denied Trump's Motion to have the Judge recused.
New York State Advisory Committee on Judicial Ethics - opinion Trump hush money case:
"On the facts before us, we conclude the judge’s impartiality cannot reasonably be questioned based on the judge’s relative’s business and/or political activities, and the judge is not ethically required to disclose them."
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Over the course of the past several weeks, a jury of 12 everyday New Yorkers was presented with overwhelming evidence — including invoices, checks, bank statements, audio recordings, phone logs, text messages and direct testimony from 22 witnesses — that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Trump illegally falsified 34 New York business records
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Nope. Doesn’t matter.
It was a Democrat judge
It was In a Democrat city
Democrat jury
It was rigged the fix was in just like it was in for Trump university, trumo steaks, grab em by the *****, Trump charity, Trump business, charlottesville cuz those nazis with tiki torches were actually Democrats and BLM, Trump impeachment 1, Trump impeachment 2, mueller report, Republican senate report, 2020 election, E Jean Carol rape, and Jan 6 (it was really antifa and BLM). Trump is the victim. He’s always the victim. A white rich guy from new York just can’t get a fair trial. And if you don’t coddle me and pad my bum bum I’m gonna get angry and vote for Trump even harder!
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Exactly this.
Trumpers demand that the rest of us treat them as toddlers. Muh feelings dun hurt! Me angry
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I'd be interested in your evidence.
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Evidence of Judge Juan Merchan donating to Biden’s Presidential campaign, and to a group called 'Stop Republicans':
Ethics Panel Cautions Judge in Trump Trial Over Political Donations
Justice Juan M. Merchan, the judge overseeing Donald J. Trump’s criminal trial in Manhattan, donated modest amounts to Democratic groups in 2020.
Evidence of Loren Merchan, Judge Juan Merchan's daughter, receiving $9.6 million dollars from Biden/Harris:
The money to Loren Merchan is still rolling in, but now through more opaque SuperPACs.
Exclusive | Dem clients of daughter of NY judge in Trump hush-money trial raised $93M off the case
2 top clients of the Democratic consulting firm owned by the daughter of the judge overseeing Donald Trump’s hush money trial raised $93 million in campaign funds since the ex-president’…
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Judge Juan Merchan's gag order to forbid talking about Loren Merchan's receiving money from Biden/Harris:
Trump barred from attacks on judge's daughter in New York "hush money" case gag order
New York Judge Juan Merchan has barred former President Donald Trump from making public comments about the judge's family.
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Seriously don’t ask for evidence, they don’t know what that is. Their evidence is dense conspiracies and feelings. It’s just like their principles, constantly shifting or just non existent.
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I find it so cute that conservatives feel like they’re all anti-establishment now. So hilarious, sad and quite typical. Late to the party and out of touch. You’re like boomers who just heard RATM for the first time and think “yeah, I won’t do what you tell me!” Co-opted outrage thinking you’re on to something. Guess what dumb ***, it’s been this way for a long time and you chastised us for being “un-American”. Yeah go **** all the way off.
Many of us on the left have been screaming this since Bush, hell since Vietnam. Our government is corrupt. But not because it’s pushing socialism and wokeness, it’s because is murderous and bought—and- paid for. Once you get your heads out of culture wars and white suprematism asses, you’ll see who’s using you and your anger.
Instead of ignoring us and not researching our claims, maybe you should be intellectually honest and start reading into systematic racism, the corporate welfare state, and unregulated capitalism aka our brands of fascism. You’re glib and it’s annoying. Catch up!
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Many of us on the left have been screaming this since Bush, hell since Vietnam. Our government is corrupt. But not because it’s pushing socialism and wokeness, it’s because is murderous and bought—and- paid for. Once you get your heads out of culture wars and white suprematism asses, you’ll see who’s using you and your anger.
Instead of ignoring us and not researching our claims, maybe you should be intellectually honest and start reading into systematic racism, the corporate welfare state, and unregulated capitalism aka our brands of fascism. You’re glib and it’s annoying. Catch up!
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Nobody takes your claims seriously because they are stupid on the face. In one sentence you made claims of “corporate welfare state” and “unregulated capitalism”, which are opposite concepts. The first is the hand of the state advancing corporations while the other is the state being completely hands off.
…And conservatives aren’t anti-establishment. They are pro-establishment but anti-corruption of establishment, and most non-braindead Americans share that. Homeless encampments of addicts in piles of filth is what ‘no establishment’ looks like.
Yes you have been screaming anti-establishment since Vietnam. It was dumb then. It is still dumb now and it is not what most are upset over.
Well my stupid claims come with 15 years of government experience. You don’t understand the subject, it seems. Corporate welfare goes hand in hand with deregulation. America is a socialist country, to corporations. Federal, state and local incentives drives economic development in most communities, there are a few exceptions. Companies are given billions to relocate and expand. It’s a race to the bottom and government picking winners and losers. Deregulation allowing for brutal, inhumane unsustainable growth at our expense funded by incentives. Citizens United is right up there too and has handcuffed the invisible hand and keeps the money moving. The government is corrupt because it’s purchased, leveraged, with few guard rails.
Ok, I disagree. For those of us paying attention, we’ve watched conservatives look the other way at all the anti-constitutional **** your candidate says and does. The election and J6 define conservatives because you choose not to police your own candidate for president. Dems are using the establishment against Trump and it’s doing its thing. Prosecuting criminals. If you won’t police him, the dems will. Conservatives are bucking the legal system and are actively sowing distrust. You’re anti-establishment, and unfortunately hitched your wagon to a grifter. You have the right idea, it’s just your vehicle picked up the wrong dude heading the wrong way.
Homelessness is a product of capitalism run a-mock as well. Good point.
Nah, I’m just right. Cool opinions man.
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