Court: California gay marriage ban is unconstitutional
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In history marriage was very often tied to having children. Some cultures allowed the husband to divorce a wife for a different wife because she did not bear him children, or even male children. I read there was one culture where the father of the wife could take back the wife and give her to another husband if they did not bear children. There is and has been a close relationship between marriage and children, and laws would often deal with which lineage the children were part of, if there was property or a dowry involved with the marriage who had access to it and if something happened to a spouse what the law required to be done with that property and/or dowry.
Just pulling out a modern dictionary thinking that solves everything about this issue is shortsighted and lazy. I expected more of you Gameface.
Not everything in today's world is as advanced as we think it is. Sometimes we think our culture is better than anything that ever existed because we have football, basketball, tv's and iphones. We are seriously lacking in quite a few areas that plenty of prior societies had, and one of those things I personally think is family.
I agree with this, but I think that change is also multi-faceted (the simplest answer is that family isn't as much of a necessity [and the perception of that is even greater than the reality, IMO] as matters of convenience advance) and not all negative either (some families are ****ty). As far as how that relates to this subject, I think the biggest danger to family that homosexuality poses is when family won't accept someone in the family that is one. Otherwise, I'm not sure how this issue of family is really relevant (unless you want to argue that curing homosexuality is a viable - let alone decent - option).
So gay marriage won't hurt anyone?
There is no gay agenda?
Funny thing. I have a relative, my niece's husband who is in his first year of law school at a prominent California University.
He talked to me tonight and told me some interesting things. The guy is #1 in his class, quite a smart and capable guy.
He said that there is a large percentage of gay/lesbians at this law school. They have told him quite clearly that their goal is to get as many gay/lesbian lawyers out there with the express purpose of changing the laws in America to support the gay agenda.
So how would you feel if there was an organized group of mormons trying to get as many mormon lawyers out there as possible with the express purpose of changing the laws of America to benifit mormons? HMMMMMMMMMMM??
There is no gay agenda?
Funny thing. I have a relative, my niece's husband who is in his first year of law school at a prominent California University.
He talked to me tonight and told me some interesting things. The guy is #1 in his class, quite a smart and capable guy.
He said that there is a large percentage of gay/lesbians at this law school. They have told him quite clearly that their goal is to get as many gay/lesbian lawyers out there with the express purpose of changing the laws in America to support the gay agenda.
So how would you feel if there was an organized group of mormons trying to get as many mormon lawyers out there as possible with the express purpose of changing the laws of America to benifit mormons? HMMMMMMMMMMM??
I agree that it is a big problem when families reject a member of that family that is a homosexual. The family should be the people that most understand that person and that can love and support them no matter what. I'm not saying they have to agree with the lifestyle, but you can still be family and love each other even if you don't agree on some things. I agree, yes there are some terrible families out there. That is a more widespread problem because it affects a larger number of families and people because heterosexual families make up over 90% of the population. I will not deny that it is a big issue, I will just say I have only briefly mentioned it because it was not part of this specific discussion, though I am very aware of it.
I don't care to dig into the "curing" of homosexuality. I don't like that term because it makes it sound like it's a disease, which I don't believe it is. I have some thoughts on the topic but I'm not 100% sure what I think or believe on it. I am probably at 80%, but that's not enough for me to put any declarative statements out there.
Wow, a group of people that are oppressed are banding together to get injustices both past, present, and future eradicated? WTF is this country coming to?!
Also, your comparison of Mormons and their religious agenda is totally the same as the GLBT agenda. Solid.
You're telling me that there is a group of people trying to become lawyers to fight for their civil rights?!?!? The HELL you say!!!
Oh, they want more than that. They want to force acceptance, and they want to make laws that can put people in jail if you speak out against gays in any way, and they explicitly say that they want to destroy religion.
They won't stop.
Yes, I do and always will have a problem with people who want to change the laws of America to fit their evil agenda and place force on the citizens (oh, there I go again)
Oppressed? How? They enjoy every right that every American does (uh oh, now I've gone and done it)
They don't want equal rights. They want more rights
Oh poor gay people. Someone said something mean to them. Oh the humanity.
You really hate me, don't you trout? I understand, since I am living rent-free in your head. And I am starting to believe that you are a homosexual (not that there's anything wrong with it)
Sure, that and Muslims.
How does one force acceptance? You either accept someone or you don't.
The idea they want to jail people for speech is laughable. I don't doubt you can find a few who would, but you can find extreme nutjobs in any group. I really, really don't believe gays possess the capacity to destroy religion, especially since religion is a concept that's been around since the dawn of man.
At least gays and lesbians don't ride their bikes around my town telling me about how I can be "saved".
Oh, so the protests, gatherings, parades and whatnot have nothing to do with them getting their message out to other people? So you don't mind one message, but don't like the other message, that is the only difference. Stop with the lame comparisons already. It has more to do with what you like and don't like than it has to do with anything else.
kwb
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Is it just me or does it seem like Craig just makes things up on the fly as he goes to try and further his opinion.
"So check this out. My great cousins, nieces husband works in Cali. He told me......" Or my favorite,
"I was talking to this girl last night. (I have no problem getting ladies) and I showed her what I was saying on here and she loved it!"
"So check this out. My great cousins, nieces husband works in Cali. He told me......" Or my favorite,
"I was talking to this girl last night. (I have no problem getting ladies) and I showed her what I was saying on here and she loved it!"
I find these kinds of assertions laughable. Go read the pro-GLBT movement's own statements of their intents, or look at other places where they have won some of their agenda. Ministers jailed for quoting the bible. Already happens.
I like and dislike both side equally. My point is that both groups "force their message upon others". So how can you insult the other group for doing what your group already does?
I'm not insulting the other group for their gatherings, parades, and whatever. I have no problem with them voicing their opinion. I also don't have a problem with missionaries going around and talking to people. I was saying they are the same.
You were the one that implied that they were different because the missionaries rode bikes and went to your door trying to "save" you.
Seriously, are we all speaking English here?
There is no one pro-GLBT "movement." Many nutjobs can have all sorts of intents and statements, but it hardly makes them the majority opinion of homosexuals. What minister has been jailed for quoting the bible? Was it just for that or was that person trespassing somewhere or did he do it in a courtroom and get arrested for contempt?