Court: California gay marriage ban is unconstitutional

[craig2112]

craig2112

In an attempt to genuinely understand your POV, I have a question. I need to make some logical extensions here, so bear with me.

Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?

If all gays are miserable, it would seem to me that it couldn't be a choice. Why choose to be miserable? But if it isn't a choice, what is it? And can being gay be considered evil if it's not a choice? To me this is a natural contradiction.

Do I believe homosexuality is a choice. I cannot read minds. I can only go on what I have experienced, and compare my religious convictions (of which many here will only attempt to scoff at)
I do believe it is a choice. If God is against it, then I don't think God makes a person a certain way, and then commands that person to not do it. God wasn't terribly forgiving with Sodom and Gomorrah (here comes the religion hate)
But it is also a question with many facets.

Why choose to be miserable? A lot of people are miserable. Not because they chose to be miserable, but because they made bad choices in life and now suffer the consequences.

 

[PearlWatson]

Call it what ever you want to. They should not be denied things that society gives a heterosexual person.

Why this "thing", if the point of marriage is "to harness men's predatory biological impulses into a paired heterosexual relationship directed toward raising children?"

 

[craig2112]

Um, details? I assume you're taking it out of context and referring to the fact that I'm a Mo and I am involved in city politics, but there's this itching feeling that that isn't why you posted that. So, details please.

So why should Mormons stay out of politics.
Seems to me that Democrats love to go and campaign in churches all over the place. Is anyone telling those churches to stay out of politics?
How about all the unions? They are political as can be, and tend to vote straight democrat. Anyone telling them to stay out of politics?

So what is it about Mormons that bars them from politics? Because they don't follow the so-called mainstream?

 

[kwb]

Do I believe homosexuality is a choice. I cannot read minds. I can only go on what I have experienced, and compare my religious convictions (of which many here will only attempt to scoff at)
I do believe it is a choice. If God is against it, then I don't think God makes a person a certain way, and then commands that person to not do it. God wasn't terribly forgiving with Sodom and Gomorrah (here comes the religion hate)
But it is also a question with many facets.

Why choose to be miserable? A lot of people are miserable. Not because they chose to be miserable, but because they made bad choices in life and now suffer the consequences.

Being gay is just a bad choice? Got it.

 

[GVC]

Do I believe homosexuality is a choice. I cannot read minds. I can only go on what I have experienced, and compare my religious convictions (of which many here will only attempt to scoff at)
I do believe it is a choice. If God is against it, then I don't think God makes a person a certain way, and then commands that person to not do it. God wasn't terribly forgiving with Sodom and Gomorrah (here comes the religion hate)
But it is also a question with many facets.

Why choose to be miserable? A lot of people are miserable. Not because they chose to be miserable, but because they made bad choices in life and now suffer the consequences.

While I think your reasons are stupid, I can at least respect that you're willing to state them. I am annoyed to no end when those who have opinions formed (it seems) entirely by their religious beliefs are afraid to state as much. If you're willing to take pot shots at those in the minority for their stated beliefs, you ought to be willing to expose yourself to some ridicule, especially if you happen to be part of the majority.

Your post, as much as I disagree with its content, was strangely refreshing.

 

[Stoked]

Why this "thing", if the point of marriage is "to harness men's predatory biological impulses into a paired heterosexual relationship directed toward raising children?"

Why not this thing? If I am allowed to marry then they should be allowed to as well.

Also that is anew definition of marriage for me lol. I know couples that are married and have no interest in ever having kids. Such as my coworker. Almost 60 happily married and has never had a kid and never wants one.

 

[Stoked]

So why should Mormons stay out of politics.
Seems to me that Democrats love to go and campaign in churches all over the place. Is anyone telling those churches to stay out of politics?
How about all the unions? They are political as can be, and tend to vote straight democrat. Anyone telling them to stay out of politics?

So what is it about Mormons that bars them from politics? Because they don't follow the so-called mainstream?

Individual Mormons? Nothing. They should be involved as everyone should be. The "Mormon Church" on the other hand has this whole "tax exempt" status thing to worry about.

 

[PearlWatson]

Why choose to be miserable? A lot of people are miserable. Not because they chose to be miserable, but because they made bad choices in life and now suffer the consequences.

...or suffer the consequences of horrible things happening to them, and some people do choose to wallow in misery.

 

[PearlWatson]

Why not this thing? If I am allowed to marry then they should be allowed to as well.

Also that is anew definition of marriage for me lol. I know couples that are married and have no interest in ever having kids. Such as my coworker. Almost 60 happily married and has never had a kid and never wants one.

"Allowed?"
So what if heterosexual married couples choose not to have children or can't have children? That doesn't alter the point of marriage.

 

[Stoked]

"Allowed?"
So what if heterosexual married couples choose not to have children or can't have children? That doesn't alter the point of marriage.

Allowed works just fine. Gays are not allowed to get married.

Also you were the one that brought having children into the purpose of marriage, not me. I just discarded the idea.

 

[PearlWatson]

Allowed works just fine. Gays are not allowed to get married.

Also you were the one that brought having children into the purpose of marriage, not me. I just discarded the idea.

Giving children a stable environment to be raised in is the point of marriage whether you recognize that or not.

 

[craig2112]

While I think your reasons are stupid, I can at least respect that you're willing to state them. I am annoyed to no end when those who have opinions formed (it seems) entirely by their religious beliefs are afraid to state as much. If you're willing to take pot shots at those in the minority for their stated beliefs, you ought to be willing to expose yourself to some ridicule, especially if you happen to be part of the majority.

Your post, as much as I disagree with its content, was strangely refreshing.

I am not afraid of stating my beliefs at all. I think I have proven that pretty well. I think I exposed myself to ridicule the moment I entered this thread.
But I have been involved in these kinds of discussions before. I can tell the difference between people who want a civil dicussion, and those who want to do something other than be civil.