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TroutBum said:
The guise? Seriously, you don't think Religion comes first at BYU?

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Sport...-suspended-sports-world-shocked-and-impressed

https://content.usatoday.com/commun...ack-harvey-unga-is-likely-over/1#.UADwPpHpU8U

But ya, good call on telling someone else to have some intellectual honesty... Ute fans. So. Damn. Dumb.
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You're right trout. BYU jumping to ESPN in the wake of Utah going PAC12 was obviously a religious first decision. Keep drinking the kool aid buddy.
 
jazzman12 said:
You're right trout. BYU jumping to ESPN in the wake of Utah going PAC12 was obviously a religious first decision. Keep drinking the kool aid buddy.
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So, 100+ years of tradition and dedication to those ideals goes right out the window simply because you're ashamed that your team sold out? Why, I can't believe that you would sink this low. Truly saddening.
 
TroutBum said:
If this is already posted, my bad -- but it sums it up pretty well. https://www.deseretnews.com/article...eir-culture-in-suspending-rivalry.html?pg=all
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LOL Dont care PAC 12

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U Gotta Love It Baby said:
LOL Dont care PAC 12

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Awww, shiii, doe. Question, are you the tool I saw today in a Tundra with PUD12 stickers all over it? Which is it, fan of the conference, or a fan of the Utes? Did you even know they are partners now? (as in, they sleep together and do other homoerotic things after they bong 12 Keystones)
 
jazzman12 said:
Try to have a little intellectual honesty and not go there. When BYU saw Utah getting the PAC12 invite and all the money that was going to come with it, they bolted the MWC as quickly as humanly possible, signed their own sweetheart deal with ESPN, and began pimping their sports with BYUtv. Every single one of those decisions was financially motivated and were made in an effort to keep up with "little brother".

The biggest difference between the two schools is that Utah is up front and honest about the financial motivations of their program, while BYU strives for the exact same thing, yet does it under the guise of "religion first".
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If money was first at BYU they could've been in a bigger conference decades ago. I know that kills you but sorry it's true. Money is certainly a factor but it's not THE factor like it is at Utah. There's nothing wrong with that. It's not like one side is wrong and the other side is right. They are different types of schools.

I don't understand why Utah honks always fight against that truth. Talk about being intellectually dishonest.
 
CONAN said:
If money was first at BYU they could've been in a bigger conference decades ago. I know that kills you but sorry it's true. Money is certainly a factor but it's not THE factor like it is at Utah. There's nothing wrong with that. It's not like one side is wrong and the other side is right. They are different types of schools.

I don't understand why Utah honks always fight against that truth. Talk about being intellectually dishonest.
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So they were holding out because? Less exposure? Couldn't play on Sundays? They were too cool for a bigger conference and turned down offers?

Please defend this statement.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
So they were holding out because? Less exposure? Couldn't play on Sundays? They were too cool for a bigger conference and turned down offers?

Please defend this statement.
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Is it safe to assume you are unaware of the history of BYU in the context of joining other conferences decades ago?
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
So they were holding out because? Less exposure? Couldn't play on Sundays? They were too cool for a bigger conference and turned down offers?

Please defend this statement.
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I think this last go round BYU did have an invite from the Big 12 but chose BYUtv over joining the conference. However, I think its the first time they've ever been invited to join a so called "power conference". To imply that BYU coukd have joined one of these conferences decades ago is completely false. The Pac10, Big10, SEC, and ACC have never shown interest in BYU. Back when the Big12 was formed, BYU was heavily considered but eventually passed by. The Big East wanted BYU to join last year but its a joke of a conference and BYU was smart to decline.
 
During the 1980s and early 1990s, "whenever anyone talked about the Pac-10 expanding, BYU was always the No. 1 school mentioned," Tuckett said. "But they never invited us to dinner. There was never an invitation. It was always speculative talk. If they were going to do something, we would have been their No. 1 choice, according to the athletic directors. The presidents and (board of regents) at Cal and Stanford made their wishes known about BYU. I'm good friends with (former Pac-10 commissioner) Tom Hansen. He talked very plainly to me, all the time, about how things were and where we stood. It was different then than now, but there was never any invitation. Just interest between coach-to-coach, athletic director-to-athletic director."

Numerous sources who have had dealings with the Pac-10 hierarchy say the league's presidents didn't feel comfortable inviting BYU then, just like they don't now.

Why?

Publicly, Pac-10 officials have said they're not interested in BYU because it is a teaching institution rather than a research institution. Sources have told the Deseret News for years that this is merely a smokescreen. They say if "research" is part of the criteria, there are schools already within the Pac-10 that don't qualify by that standard.

Sources say Pac-10 presidents have blackballed BYU simply because of their biases against the school.

"It's religious prejudice masquerading as academic snobbery," one source has told the Deseret News. "They're trying to find an excuse to avoid the real issue, that they don't want a school that is tied to the LDS Church."

Then there is the issue of Sunday play. The Pac-10 holds a number of conference championships and regular season games on that day — in part to accommodate television — a day on which BYU does not compete as per school policy.

When that topic of Sunday play arose during a presidents' meeting in the 1990s, one president reportedly said, "We'll play on Christian and Jewish holidays. We'll play anytime and we'll offend everybody."

For those reasons, the source has been saying for years, the idea of BYU going to the Pac-10 is "a dead issue. The door is slammed shut."

Said Tuckett, "The Pac-10, like practically all conferences, have gone to Sunday play in basketball and baseball and softball. That would eliminate BYU right there. I don't think we're an attractive enough entity to have them change every schedule around, just to fit us. That's an inconvenience that the conference wouldn't want to cope with anyway."
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Sorry
 
All that article shows is that BYU has never and will never get an invite to the PAC. Still waiting for somebody to post an article showing that BYU could have joined one of these conferences decades ago but chose not to. After all, thats what was implied.
 
For the record. I hope BYU does get into a big conference and/or is able to put together some strong schedules as an independent. I'd love to have Saturdays where the U hosts USC and BYU is hosting OU or Texas.


I also think that no matter what BYU/UTAH should be an annual tradition.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
For the record. I hope BYU does get into a big conference and/or is able to put together some strong schedules as an independent. I'd love to have Saturdays where the U hosts USC and BYU is hosting OU or Texas.


I also think that no matter what BYU/UTAH should be an annual tradition.
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I'm a fan of neither but can easily agree with that.
 
jazzman12 said:
Still waiting for somebody to post an article showing that BYU could have joined one of these conferences decades ago but chose not to. After all, thats what was implied.
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You can read into whatever you like and I'd expect nothing less of someone who obviously views the world through rose-colored glasses.

But it's a fact that if BYU would've been willing to make some concessions that they could've gone to a big conference decades ago.

I know that kills you. I know you feel that it slights your beloved Utes somehow. But in reality it doesn't. That is no slight on the Pac10/Utah or BYU. But you won't see that. You've got to put in your two cents on everything and make sure BYU looks as bad as possible and Utah looks as good as possible. No problem this is who you are.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
For the record. I hope BYU does get into a big conference and/or is able to put together some strong schedules as an independent. I'd love to have Saturdays where the U hosts USC and BYU is hosting OU or Texas.


I also think that no matter what BYU/UTAH should be an annual tradition.
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I've love for them to stay independent but Bronco wants access to the Championship game and the easiest path there is within a big conference.
 
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