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No BYU-Utah Rivalry Football Games in 2014 or 2015

I'm glad it is over. I am a Ute, but I have enjoyed BYU games in the past. BYU fan has become so unbelievably obnoxious the last couple of years. I am so sick of hearing about how Jake Heaps is going to win a Heisman, Independence is better than a BCS conference, they have the best defense in the country, Doman is the best OC and should be HC, Quezada is better than John White, Nelson is a senior and had Utah played against Nelson BYU would have won (even though he did play against Utah's 2nd stringers and was dominated), etc, etc, etc.

Blah, blah, blah. Let's end this rivalry, and I can get back to enjoying another game on a Saturday.
 
p.s. Don't be surprised if Utah buys the 2016 game out. They give the home game to BYU, let it cool for a year or so, then get to scheduling real teams (ie, B1G teams) and quietly buy BYU out, just like they did yesterday in buying out the road Utah State games. Just another example of Utah bending over backwards for the rivalry while BYU just sits in the corner and whines. Douchebags.

The local radio hacks can whine and complain all they want, they will actually have to do some work other than "How is Utah/BYU better than BYU/Utah in _________."
 
green said:
p.s. Don't be surprised if Utah buys the 2016 game out. They give the home game to BYU, let it cool for a year or so, then get to scheduling real teams (ie, B1G teams) and quietly buy BYU out, just like they did yesterday in buying out the road Utah State games. Just another example of Utah bending over backwards for the rivalry while BYU just sits in the corner and whines. Douchebags.

The local radio hacks can whine and complain all they want, they will actually have to do some work other than "How is Utah/BYU better than BYU/Utah in _________."
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I like you.
 
jazzman12 said:
Not so sure about that. Can you imagine the venon and rhetoric thats going to build up during the 2 off years? If anything, I think it might take things up a notch. 2016 is going to be downright anarchy, especially if both schools are successful during their time apart.

I think BYU and Utah fans over estimate their own importance. While it might be a big game within the state, it doesn't resonate anywhere else. Hell, Michigan and Notre Dame are taking 2 years off in the near future, yet for some reason Ute and Cougar fans think they should be exempt from scheduling issues that go along with becoming bigger programs.
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Utah will dominate BYU in 2013. BYU will have new LB's, new DL, new OL, new WR's, new QB. Utah will have senior QB, SR LB's, Jr/SR RB's, JR/SR WR's, their OL will all be Jr's and SR's. That will be an EXTREMELY ugly game. Everyone talks about how Utah is improved this year over last and will compete in the south, wait until 2013. USC will be young as well, as will Oregon and Washington. In 2013, Utah should be a legit frontrunner to win the south and PAC-12.
 
nightmare3983 said:
Right, Utah is so great that it is such a huge sacrifice to play lowly BYU every year.

EDIT: Also, did I say BYU wasn't about the money at all? Also, is it even a "rivalry" if one side is making outlandish demands?
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You infer that BYU cares more about the rivalry than money, which isn't true.

Outlandish demands? Like how Utah spent and lost millions of dollars last year to play BYU, and BYU sacrificed nothing? Especially in a year where PAC-12 teams received their full share of revenue and Utah received a very small %?

Utah has been bending over backwards to make this work, and BYU does nothing but whine. Throw in head shots, trying to horsecollar players 5 yards deep in the endzone, twisting ankles in the bottom of the pile, cheap shots on QB's, etc and can you see why Utah would be a little tired and back out? Playing BYU benefits Utah's fans, not Utah's program. BYU does nothing for Utah's schedule, reputation, rankings, etc.

p.s. The Red/Blue charity event is held every year. The losing coach sings the other team's fight song. LaVell, McBride, and Whitt have all participated and been good sports. Bronco? He refused to sing along. Little things like that get old fast. Why continue to schedule a team that is nothing but disrespectful [(see how Holmoe, Bronco and players have reacted to Utah trying to work with BYU but having to take a break from the game to play national legends (Michigan)] and doesn't help you in your standings, and doesn't bring you any additional revenue?
 
Thriller nailed it on the head and while I don't often agree with him, he seems to be one of the few BYU fans on this board that can own up to the reality of whats going on.

BYU is living in a world in which they are trying to be a relgious institution first and foremost (as they should be), while also proclaiming that they can be a football power in the independent landscape. Wake up BYU fans, YOU ARE BEING LIED TO. BYU is making the choice to have it's athletics help prop up their tv network that is still in it's infancy. Due to that decision, BYU missed a chance at joining the BIG 12.

The decisions BYU has made regarding BYUtv are understandable, and quite frankly, admirable from my point of view, but they taint that when they continue to insist that football is going to be just fine. It isn't, and anybody who can step away from the kool-aid just for a second should be able to see that. If BYU remains independent, and doesn't find their way into a major conference within the next few years, their program will look like hell 10 years from now. Not really interested in debating that with anybody either. Time will prove me to be 100% correct on that one.
 
nightmare3983 said:
..... Also, is it even a "rivalry" if one side is making outlandish demands?
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Who said Utah is making "outlandish" demands? And even if they were, if they can drop BYU for 2 years and fill that void with the likes of Michigan, perhaps Utah has enough leverage to demand whatever they want to.

Hmmmm, a home and home with BYU or a home and home with Michigan? Gee, let me think about that for about a half a second.
 
jazzman12 said:
Who said Utah is making "outlandish" demands? And even if they were, if they can drop BYU for 2 years and fill that void with the likes of Michigan, perhaps Utah has enough leverage to demand whatever they want to.

Hmmmm, a home and home with BYU or a home and home with Michigan? Gee, let me think about that for about a half a second.
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That's referring to green (and anyone else) saying BYU should agree to do a 2-for-1.
 
green said:
You infer that BYU cares more about the rivalry than money, which isn't true.

Outlandish demands? Like how Utah spent and lost millions of dollars last year to play BYU, and BYU sacrificed nothing? Especially in a year where PAC-12 teams received their full share of revenue and Utah received a very small %?

Utah has been bending over backwards to make this work, and BYU does nothing but whine. Throw in head shots, trying to horsecollar players 5 yards deep in the endzone, twisting ankles in the bottom of the pile, cheap shots on QB's, etc and can you see why Utah would be a little tired and back out? Playing BYU benefits Utah's fans, not Utah's program. BYU does nothing for Utah's schedule, reputation, rankings, etc.
p.s. The Red/Blue charity event is held every year. The losing coach sings the other team's fight song. LaVell, McBride, and Whitt have all participated and been good sports. Bronco? He refused to sing along. Little things like that get old fast. Why continue to schedule a team that is nothing but disrespectful [(see how Holmoe, Bronco and players have reacted to Utah trying to work with BYU but having to take a break from the game to play national legends (Michigan)] and doesn't help you in your standings, and doesn't bring you any additional revenue?
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Bending over backwards? If that were really the case, would there be a two-year break in the rivalry? You're completely overrating Utah by saing beating BYU doesn't help Utah's rankings. BYU isn't some little Division 1-AA school. You look like a fool by implying that just BYU plays dirty in rivlalry games. Finally, without fans, there would be no sports programs. So it would definitely be in the best interst of Chris Hill to consider what Utah fans want before cancelling the rivalry altogether.
 
nightmare3983 said:
Bending over backwards? If that were really the case, would there be a two-year break in the rivalry? You're completely overrating Utah by saing beating BYU doesn't help Utah's rankings. BYU isn't some little Division 1-AA school. You look like a fool by implying that just BYU plays dirty in rivlalry games. Finally, without fans, there would be no sports programs. So it would definitely be in the best interst of Chris Hill to consider what Utah fans want before cancelling the rivalry altogether.
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IF BYU would throw Utah a bone (like allowing Utah to have an additional home game when warranted, i.e., years when Utah has 5 road PAC games), give Utah a little gate money when Utah spends/loses millions to play BYU, or even do something silly like sing the fight song when you lose, or not whining all day long about Utah may or may not keep the game when they have a chance to play Michigan instead, I am sure Utah would be more willing to keep BYU around.

As far as dirty play, did you watch last season? Did you not see Uale hit Christopher in the head in the end zone? Did you not see the other BYU player try to horse collar White when Utah was up 30+ points and White was 5 yards deep in the end zone? Did you not see Ogletree twist Vakapuna's ankle after a tackle that took him out the game and hampered him the rest of the season? Really?

BYU isn't some D1-AA school. They are a good mid major. When Utah beat BYU 54-10, did anyone on national radio talk about the game? Nope? Did Sportscenter show highlights? Not until the next day, and it was a quick blip. Did Utah become ranked? Nope. Did recruits de-committ from BYU and commit to Utah? Nope. So, what exactly does playing BYU do for Utah, other than allow people to be jerks to each other during priesthood?

Finally, you say Chris Hill should consider Utah fans when dropping BYU. Do you think Utah fans will be disappointed that Hill has dropped BYU and replaced them with Michigan? The only people whining about this are Utah fans that don't realize that we are playing MIchigan those two years and BYU fans that realize this is another step in the direction of irrelevance for BYU's program.
 
jazzman12 said:
Thriller nailed it on the head and while I don't often agree with him, he seems to be one of the few BYU fans on this board that can own up to the reality of whats going on.

BYU is living in a world in which they are trying to be a relgious institution first and foremost (as they should be), while also proclaiming that they can be a football power in the independent landscape. Wake up BYU fans, YOU ARE BEING LIED TO. BYU is making the choice to have it's athletics help prop up their tv network that is still in it's infancy. Due to that decision, BYU missed a chance at joining the BIG 12.

The decisions BYU has made regarding BYUtv are understandable, and quite frankly, admirable from my point of view, but they taint that when they continue to insist that football is going to be just fine. It isn't, and anybody who can step away from the kool-aid just for a second should be able to see that. If BYU remains independent, and doesn't find their way into a major conference within the next few years, their program will look like hell 10 years from now. Not really interested in debating that with anybody either. Time will prove me to be 100% correct on that one.
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I don't agree with you on everything, but that's very true. Also their program probably will look like hell if they stay independent that long.

EDIT: That would be a slow painful demise if it came to that.
 
My final thoughts on the matter are that BYU is partly responsible for the lapse in the rivalry game, Utah is somewhat less responsible, and ultimately it sucks for fans of either school. Hopefully they can have a couple of great games this year and next, and find a way to extend it beyond 2016. Anyway, it is what it is.
 
nightmare3983 said:
My final thoughts on the matter are that BYU is partly responsible for the lapse in the rivalry game, Utah is somewhat less responsible, and ultimately it sucks for fans of either school. Hopefully they can have a couple of great games this year and next, and find a way to extend it beyond 2016. Anyway, it is what it is.
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How do you figure Utah is less responsible for the lapse than BYU?
 
colton said:
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Show me where Utah fans say that freshman QB will contend for a Heisman. Show me where Utah fans/coaches talk about undefeated seasons/NC/etc. Show me where Utah fans talk about undersized, slow front sevens being the best in the country. Show me where Utah fans talk about their two star WR's, who disappear against legit football teams are NFL guys. Show me instances when BYU would beat Utah by 40 pts, and Utah fans ran around saying BYU was lucky to win that game. Need I go on? Or do you actually believe those things?

BYU is a good program, and they have their niche. They go 1-2 every year, then rip off 8-9 wins over crappy teams and end up ranked #20-25. It's fine, it's their thing, and given their recruiting limitations, it is a good formula to stay relevent without doing much. BUT, that being said, BYU needs to be realistic, and realize that winning 10 games, where your highlight win was a 2 win SEC team or Utah State, and getting your butt kicked by the three legit teams you played last year (Texas, TCU, Utah. And don't tell me Texas was close. Texas was close...until Texas changed QB's, then Texas went on to dominate BYU 17-3) does not a good football team make.

To hear BYU fan talk up Riley, and say that Utah will be a win is a laugh. Reality is, it will be hard for BYU to beat Utah this year. That's just the way it is. It is a rivalry game, so BYU has a chance, but Utah is a very, very good football team, and right now is just better.
 
colton said:
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If Ute fans are obnoxious, it would probably serve BYU fans well to remember how the team and it's fans carried themselves in the 70's and 80's when BYU could claim dominance in the series. Guys like Lenny Gomes claiming that former Utes would be pumping his gas years down the road, BYU fans carrying themselves as a bunch of entitled, holier than thou pricks. etc.

I've used the analogy before, but you guys are Uncle Rico. You were a big deal in the 80's, weren't afraid to let everybody know it, and now you're not a big deal and everybody knows it but you. Perhaps if the players and fans would have carried themselves with a shred of dignity back then, Ute fans wouldn't be so eager to pile on now that your demise is at hand. But, you guys acted like douchebags and now you're reaping the benefits. Sorry, but you should be nicer next time you guys have the upper hand in the rivalry.

Wait, that will never happen again. Oh well.
 
colton said:
How do you figure Utah is less responsible for the lapse than BYU?
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They at least are doing something ambitious (playing Michigan), and BYU hasn't exactly done much to make themselves a more more attractive opponent by being independent. All that said, no matter how you try to divide the blame, they should still play each other every year.
 
jazzman12 said:
Sorry, but you should be nicer next time you guys have the upper hand in the rivalry.

Wait, that will never happen again. Oh well.
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Let's look at the "rivalry." The first 50 years (1922-1972) Utah's record was 41-8-4. Complete domination by Utah.

Then came LaVell. For the next 20 years (1972-1992) BYU completely dominated, going 19-2.

Then comes the last 19 years. In that time frame, Utah is 12-7, including 7 out of the last 10. The more this goes on, the more it looks like this hasn't been much of a rivalry, but more of a LaVell aberration. The reason why it has become "The Holy War" is not due to overall record, but BYU fan's actions during their blip on the radar. Well, what goes around comes around.

So, recap. Overall, Utah is 55-34, with Utah winning 62% of the time. If we take out the LaVell era, Utah has a 78% winning percentage. If we look at the last decade, Utah has 70% winning percentage against BYU with multiple blowouts, and BYU's only wins coming by a combined 12 pts (or 4 pts a win). Huh, the more and more this goes on, it looks like this isn't much of a rivalry, but a period of time where BYU had a great coach and Utah was down.

I just feel bad for BYU fan that caught Utah at a down time, built their lives around the fact that God loves BYU, therefore BYU beats Utah (who mysteriously pours beer on all BYU fans) because Utah isn't BYU. The more time goes on, they were just born at a lucky time, more than BYU is some national power.
 
Pathetic, but not surprising. Way to go Utes, you'll always be the guy with the 3D glasses that follows Biff Tannon around town.
 
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