What's new

Why not just let Israel go for it and put an end to the nonsense?

entire region? israel would walk around with **** in their pants unless us kept wiping their crap off.

I disagree. Israel is more than capable of holding their own. Yes having the US as an ally helps but don't under estimate Israel. I think the onyl people that would really give Israel any run for their money would be Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Iran. And lately it seems that Saudi Arabia and Turkey are being pushed more and more to Israels side.
 
One thing I have always wondered, does Israel control the border between Gaza and Egypt? If not wouldn't Egypt be to blame for the Palestinian plight in Gaza as well? They could open that border to allow goods to move across it.

Anyone know?
 
Give them the green light and let them end the notion that Palestine exists in any real sense? It's Israel's time.

See, I thought you would mean Israel would stop erecting and protecting Israeli cities in Palestinian territory and turn the protection of Palestinian land over to Palestine. That would be going for it.
 
One thing I have always wondered, does Israel control the border between Gaza and Egypt? If not wouldn't Egypt be to blame for the Palestinian plight in Gaza as well? They could open that border to allow goods to move across it.

Anyone know?

not anymore. now egypt controls it. they have a 100 meter buffer zone and even steel walls beneath the surface walls to tackle the smugglers which they cannot.

but the problem is the egypt weare talking about is not arafat's egypt. it's the far end opposite of that. they will not conflict with israel directly. but the pm of egypt talked to obama. a government official of egypt said that they might stop the trade with israel, they might cut all the relations with them which would hurt the peace treaty, but they would never do smth to grow the tension higher.
 
One thing I have always wondered, does Israel control the border between Gaza and Egypt? If not wouldn't Egypt be to blame for the Palestinian plight in Gaza as well? They could open that border to allow goods to move across it.

Anyone know?

Code:
Israel has blockaded Gaza, including the border with Egypt.  In fact, there are dozens of tunnels that run from Egypt to Gaza used to smuggle things past the blockade.

The proceeding information is no longer true. I apologize for my error.
 
Last edited:
here's a nice pic of che visiting gaza. this one's mostly for ya ilyasova..

chegazzede.jpg
 
One thing I have always wondered, does Israel control the border between Gaza and Egypt? If not wouldn't Egypt be to blame for the Palestinian plight in Gaza as well? They could open that border to allow goods to move across it.

Anyone know?

Here is a google translation of a Turkish article about it. I didn't read the translation but I believe it would suck:

Egypt opened Rafah border into Egypt Gaza resident Gate thousands of demobilization Nearly a month has passed through a wall. For a period of 15 days beginning on January 23, continued this transition. What are you able to intervene in Egypt nor Israel, can stop the passage.

Border nowadays, quiet and still, because in Egypt, the Foreign Minister of Gazans completely closing the border on February 3 Geyt'in, "Who will break the feet of limit breaches." did not forget the words in the form of intimidation.

In fact, since the breach of the Egyptian-Israeli border in terms of both Egypt and Israel and has emerged as a new security problem. America is concerned about this problem, and a kind of Egyptian mediation between Israel and doing it.

Indeed, this bapta U.S. Assistant Secretary of State David Welch, 10 days ago, Cairo, Jerusalem and Ramallah to visit and has consulted with officials searched for a solution to a common problem.

News, Egyptian Foreign Minister Gheit and intelligence chief General Omar Suleiman, Egypt and Gaza Welch talks with the probe as well as the overall situation and arrived at the conclusion that changes its stance on boundary violations understood.

After his talks with Egyptian officials informed Israel about them in Welch, Israelis, is ready to change the situation on the border of Egypt, Israel no longer listen to the demands of the Egyptian border, has pointed to the need to take into account.

Egypt, then a more effective border control in order to fulfill the 750-strong security force deployed along the border in the first 1500 to raise the demand. After Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in August 2005 in accordance with a special agreement reached with Egypt, the Israeli border, in addition to the normal police force, along the border of Egypt had agreed to employ 750 soldiers. However, as a result of events occurring in these 750 soldiers are insufficient to control the border to Egypt, this power to 1,500's removal had bid.

However, Israel tends to be hesitant about it. Ministry of Defence and the army along border of Egypt meets the increasing power of violence. On the other hand, until recently, those who agree with the vision changed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Egypt, the Egyptian security forces found to have reported the opinion that the adoption of the demand for more advanced and efficient equip weapons, the government is recommended. Opinion of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of displacement on the border between Egypt and Gaza because the situation had changed, and therefore be concluded that Israel must change its attitude can be summarized as strong. This, of course, is considered a realistic assessment.

Welch also share the same assessment and to implement it in the coming days, Israel, Egypt, the United States and the Palestinian Authority wants to put together a security summit made. America soon to want to do it in a way likely to peak, but of course will not be able to Hamas, which controls Gaza.

Certainly the border between Egypt and Israel is not only limited to Gaza. Collum area almost all the 400 kilometers between the two countries which have a long border. Until recently, this limit is not experienced much of the problem, so to speak, as no longer accept Israel's turned sieve. The last two years, at least up to 3,000 African refugees have managed to enter Israel through the border clandestinely. In short, the Egyptian-Israeli border, today Israel has emerged as a major problem and that border Israel suggests that the black. Israel is facing a new problem now 400 miles long. Let's see what to do against it?

21 February 2008
 
How can you be ignorant like this when your CIA triggers all this to start in the first place? It was the USA who founded Israel. Either you would f*** off the other nation's borders or you should "care".

The USA founded Israel?

And you're calling me ignorant?

ohhh dear.
 
Again, what would be the end game for Israel if they absorbed the Palestinian territories? Seems to me that could only end in genocide, apartheid or Palestinian control of Israel (given the demographics). How would any of those outcomes be better for Israel? They're right where they want to be.
 
I just think that the sooner Americans come to grips that they cannot control every single country, how they think, what they do, what they eat and drink, what time to get out of bed, etc the better.

We cannot afford this "charity" that is costing us billions and billions and thousands and thousands of American lives abroad.

Sooner or later, these countries need to learn to be self-sufficient and walk on their own. Lets stop artificially inflating their economies and armies. Let these children learn to walk on their own. Let those local governments decide what to do rather than foreign powers living thousands upon thousands of miles away.

Perhaps they'd stop fighting each other if they knew that daddy Sam wouldn't come in to stop the fight by bribing them with food, money, weapons, and more handouts?

Food for thought.
 
I personally don't care.

We're on the other side of the world. Lets worry about our own nation. Let Israel and whoever else fight whoever they want. Isolationism always was the best medicine.

If Israel destroys Iran then that should be their business. If Israel is crushed by Iran then that's their business.

Let other countries rise and learn to walk or fall on their own two feet. I for one am tired of the USA trying to help every lil country and their dog try and walk using billions of our hard earned dollars.

If Egypt, Israel, Iraq, etc want to survive, then do so WITHOUT our aid. If you can't, then meh, let another country/empire/group try.

"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto"
-Thomas Jefferson

Yeah the US would no longer be the US if that were truly our motto and operation. The French alliance ensured victory in the Revolutionary war. Alliances in WWII with Russia & UK were critcal I like Thommy J but he is just flat out wrong here.
 
I posted this in the Middle East thread but it's pertinent here as well.

I wonder what everyone thinks about the contention that Palestinians do not exist other than a reason to create a wedge between Israel and the Arab world?

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. ~~ Zahir Muhsein, PLO executive committee member, March 31, 1977

https://www.wnd.com/2000/10/1696/

Isn’t it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed — before or since — as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

Discuss.
 
Why don't all of you worrying about Israel building cities in disputed lands worry just as much about Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian regimes who confiscated much larger tracts of land from Palestinians and holed them up in the Gaza strip?

Your obsession with the Jews while giving a free pass to Muslim based nations is straight up anti-semitic.
 
Why don't all of you worrying about Israel building cities in disputed lands worry just as much about Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian regimes who confiscated much larger tracts of land from Palestinians and holed them up in the Gaza strip?
So...these are ongoing conflicts?

And again, what does Israel stand to gain by going to war? They already have everything they want (short of getting rid of Arabs).
 
Why don't all of you worrying about Israel building cities in disputed lands worry just as much about Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian regimes who confiscated much larger tracts of land from Palestinians and holed them up in the Gaza strip?

Your obsession with the Jews while giving a free pass to Muslim based nations is straight up anti-semitic.

Considering that Jordan and Egypt have borders with the West Bank and Gaza.
 
So...these are ongoing conflicts?

And again, what does Israel stand to gain by going to war? They already have everything they want (short of getting rid of Arabs).

To put it bluntly, if they were to beat the Palestinians into submission they stand to gain the submission of Palestinians. As it stands the Palestinian government doesn't recognize Israels right to exist and they carry out rocket attacks and terrorist attacks on Israeli women and children. Hit them hard enough and tell them to put an end to those tactics.
 
I just think that the sooner Americans come to grips that they cannot control every single country, how they think, what they do, what they eat and drink, what time to get out of bed, etc the better.

We cannot afford this "charity" that is costing us billions and billions and thousands and thousands of American lives abroad.

Sooner or later, these countries need to learn to be self-sufficient and walk on their own. Lets stop artificially inflating their economies and armies. Let these children learn to walk on their own. Let those local governments decide what to do rather than foreign powers living thousands upon thousands of miles away.

Perhaps they'd stop fighting each other if they knew that daddy Sam wouldn't come in to stop the fight by bribing them with food, money, weapons, and more handouts?

Food for thought.

Isn't this what Ron Paul has been saying for 30 years now?
 
Top