Official should marijuana be legalized poll...

[GVC]

There's no way for any of us to know whether usage goes up with legalization. My bet would be that it at least triples, minimum.

You're an idiot.

 

[NAOS]

So basically you are saying what he just said.

His opinion is that it will and your opinion is that it wont.

No, dude. I said I have an opinion that is based on research conducted in my field of expertise. He implied a moral woe. Huge ****ing difference.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Not that many. But I do know several underage people that do not drink because it is illegal. If pot were legal I think there would absolutely be an increase in smokers.

I don't think anyone is advocating making weed legal for minors.

 

[Stoked]

No, dude. I said I have an opinion that is based on research conducted in my field of expertise. He implied a moral woe. Huge ****ing difference.

What is your field of expertise. Can we see this research? If so then right on. Otherwise I am sticking to my opinion stance.

 

[Stoked]

Sorry after reading the responses PKM got I will get fall in line.

YOU INGORAMOUS PKM!! How dare you even think that weed smoking will increase under leaglization! Who do you think you are? Mother Theresa? You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Hartsock]

Sorry after reading the responses PKM got I will get fall in line.

YOU INGORAMOUS PKM!! How dare you even think that weed smoking will increase under leaglization! Who do you think you are? Mother Theresa? You should be ashamed of yourself.

I think the part where PKM says he thinks it will triple is where he is mistaken. If it increases at all it would be minimal.

 

[NAOS]

Stoked's perpetual/repeated mistake can be summed up thusly:

"Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so all opinions are equal."

 

[Stoked]

Stoked's perpetual/repeated mistake can be summed up thusly:

"Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so all opinions are equal."

So I am supposed to give your opinion more weight because you referenced some vague first hand knowledge of resear in that field? I don't think so. I am not saying you dont have it but I am not going to just take your word for it either.

I think weed use amoung adult would dramatically increase because adults that stopped smoking for a job, say teaching or law enforcement would no longer have to refrain from smoking.

 

[NAOS]

So I am supposed to give your opinion more weight because you referenced some vague first hand knowledge of resear in that field? I don't think so. I am not saying you dont have it but I am not going to just take your word for it either.

I think weed use amoung adult would dramatically increase because adults that stopped smoking for a job, say teaching or law enforcement would no longer have to refrain from smoking.

Kool idea. Try to back that up.

Also, I'm not gonna bend over backward for your (or anybody's) acknowledgement. I'll say this: I've published and taught a well received course (3 times now, actually) on this issue. If that isn't enough for you, then you're choosing not to believe me and/or have no respect for the academic peer review process.

 

[fishonjazz]

Sorry after reading the responses PKM got I will get fall in line.

YOU INGORAMOUS PKM!! How dare you even think that weed smoking will increase under leaglization! Who do you think you are? Mother Theresa? You should be ashamed of yourself.

I believe (correct me if im wrong pkm) pkm said that usage among teenagers would increase...
I think it is actually the opposite.... When i was a teenager it was quite difficult for me to get alcohol because the only place to get it was at a store (where you need ID) or from someones parents, or stand outside a store and beg people of age to buy it for you.
Now if you got it from someones parents then there was a chance that they would be pissed and kick thier childs ***, so that was a bit risky.....Waiting outside a store for some stranger to buy it for you never worked... sometimes we would just go into a gas station and grab a case and run like hell, but that was risky as well.

As for marijuana, All i had to do was go to school and i could get it from a whole bunch of different people.... Weed was WAY easier for me to aquire than alcohol.
I think if you legalize it, then it will be harder for kids to aquire it.

Also i think that if you legalize it then there will be less people doing meth, cocaine, crack, heroin etc etc... I do think marijuana is a gateway drug, but i think it is BECAUSE it is illegal.
To get marijuan you must go to a drug dealer.... well alot of drug dealers can sell you some harder drugs, so i might be just wanting some weed and find out that my dealer also has some cocaine and i figure what the hell, im already breaking the law by smokin pot so i might as well try some cocaine too.

If you legalize weed then you would be buying it from a dispensary and the dispensary would not have cocaine, heroin, crack etc etc. Plus you would not be crossing that line into illegal territory by just smoking pot so you might be reluctant to try something that is illegal (harder drugs)

So for me i believe that legalization means less kids doing drugs, less people in general doing harder drugs, more money for government to use towards things like education/health care, less people in jail and court. Plus the cartels in mexico would lose some of thier power because we wouldn't need them anymore for production.

 

[franklin]

Can we move off the distraction of whether or not use will increase? That shouldn't have any bearing on whether it should be legalized or not.

 

[Stoked]

Kool idea. Try to back that up.

Also, I'm not gonna bend over backward for your (or anybody's) acknowledgement. I'll say this: I've published and taught a well received course (3 times now, actually) on this issue. If that isn't enough for you, then you're choosing not to believe me and/or have no respect for the academic peer review process.

Maybe you have. If so that's cool.

But to me all you are is some guy over the internet. You could be anyone that does anything. So until I know that your opinion has more weight, based on first hand research and what not, than no I am not going to give your opinion more weight than PKMs. Just as I will not give his more than yours.

If that doesn't work for you than to bad.

 

[Stoked]

I believe (correct me if im wrong pkm) pkm said that usage among teenagers would increase...
I think it is actually the opposite.... When i was a teenager it was quite difficult for me to get alcohol because the only place to get it was at a store (where you need ID) or from someones parents, or stand outside a store and beg people of age to buy it for you.
Now if you got it from someones parents then there was a chance that they would be pissed and kick thier childs ***, so that was a bit risky.....Waiting outside a store for some stranger to buy it for you never worked... sometimes we would just go into a gas station and grab a case and run like hell, but that was risky as well.

As for marijuana, All i had to do was go to school and i could get it from a whole bunch of different people.... Weed was WAY easier for me to aquire than alcohol.
I think if you legalize it, then it will be harder for kids to aquire it.

Also i think that if you legalize it then there will be less people doing meth, cocaine, crack, heroin etc etc... I do think marijuana is a gateway drug, but i think it is BECAUSE it is illegal.
To get marijuan you must go to a drug dealer.... well alot of drug dealers can sell you some harder drugs, so i might be just wanting some weed and find out that my dealer also has some cocaine and i figure what the hell, im already breaking the law by smokin pot so i might as well try some cocaine too.

If you legalize weed then you would be buying it from a dispensary and the dispensary would not have cocaine, heroin, crack etc etc. Plus you would not be crossing that line into illegal territory by just smoking pot so you might be reluctant to try something that is illegal (harder drugs)

So for me i believe that legalization means less kids doing drugs, less people in general doing harder drugs, more money for government to use towards things like education/health care, less people in jail and court. Plus the cartels in mexico would lose some of thier power because we wouldn't need them anymore for production.

That is a good point and you may very well be right.

 

[Scat]

Stoked's perpetual/repeated mistake can be summed up thusly:

"Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so all opinions are equal."

As opposed to "Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but my opinion is always superior".

 

[UGLI baby]

For sure easier to get weed when you're young than it is to get booze.

 

[NAOS]

Can we move off the distraction of whether or not use will increase? That shouldn't have any bearing on whether it should be legalized or not.

Let's also realize that legalization doesn't mean that it isn't heavily regulated. It's incredible how fast this discussion goes from LEGAL to FREE AND DANGLING FROM TREES.

Prohibition is essentially an attempt to regulate by bringing the flow to zero (doesnt work). There are several legalization arguments that simply want a more realistic and effective mode of regulation. These folks can say this whilst, without contradiction, saying that they absolutely do not support consumption.

 

[NAOS]

Maybe you have. If so that's cool.

But to me all you are is some guy over the internet. You could be anyone that does anything. So until I know that your opinion has more weight, based on first hand research and what not, than no I am not going to give your opinion more weight than PKMs. Just as I will not give his more than yours.

If that doesn't work for you than to bad.

How long have I been around? How many times have I cited my expertise? If I were pulling this **** regularly around here, then I should be put out of my misery, but I very rarely do. Just factor that in.

In general, i see where you're coming from re:internet dudes.

 

[NAOS]

As opposed to "Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but my opinion is always superior".

Cute.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What makes you think there would be more usage amongst minors than there already is? How many teenagers do you know that drink but don't smoke pot simply because it's illegal? If you know even one, that's one more than I've ever known.

I definitely know people like that actually. It's a sad/weird thing, but kids like that do exist.

Maybe it's a southern/republican thing.

 

[Bronco70]

There's no way for any of us to know whether usage goes up with legalization. My bet would be that it at least triples, minimum.

My opinion: Weed is so ridiculously easy to get, most everyone who wants to smoke it does. Maybe not as frequently as they would if it were legal... There will be, of course, some who do only if it's legal, but I would be highly shocked if it were a significant number.

I think weed use amoung adult would dramatically increase because adults that stopped smoking for a job, say teaching or law enforcement would no longer have to refrain from smoking.

This statement assumes that legalization translates into employer acceptance. I'm guessing many employers would still retain (or newly implement) policies regarding employee use. The impetus to abstain would largely remain in place.

For the record, I haven't used marijuana, and don't plan on ever using it, but it's ridiculous that we not only turn away a huge tax revenue opportunity, but waste millions fighting a futile battle against it.