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Utah Jazz VS LA Clippers Friday 12/28/12 @ 7:00 ROOT Sports 1280 AM/ 97.5 FM

Oh and I think even before the season started most people agreed that the opposing teams starters would be better on most nights then the Jazz, no matter who is starting it was the that the bench wouldn't have as much of a drop off as other teams again no matter who was coming off the bench. Because the Jazz don't have any one dominant player let alone 2 or 3 like the elite teams have they have to rely on non stop depth and hustle and trusting the offense.

I don't think Corbin is calling for stagnated offense like has become common especially lately but it is on him at least partially if the players aren't executing or learning/understanding what he is trying to do even when Horny or other assistant coaches are being interviewed they specifically mention over and over that they aren't cutting or moving like they should on offense. I would also like to see some better assistant coaches or one single veteran assistant brought in like the Nets have PJ and Mavs for example have them. Phil Johnson would be perfect but don't see that working and Gordy would've been good except he's now in ORL with Vaughn.
 
billyshelby said:
I get Favors as a defensive sub late in the game, but lets not forget he was flat awful tonight. Kanter played a tiny bit better, but both their performances were drastically colored by the game within game second unit showdown which we clearly won.
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Did you watch the game? Not everything is traditional, individual production. Saying that all of the success of the second unit was Either Watson or Tinsley, Burks, Hayward, and not the men responsible for controlling the paint and locking it down is a pretty hard sell to anyone that watched the game.
 
I'm there.

I'm at the point where I hope we pull a Lakers and start losing game after game until the front office is forced to do something about the train wreck that is our team.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Did you watch the game? Not everything is traditional, individual production. Saying that all of the success of the second unit was Either Watson or Tinsley, Burks, Hayward, and not the men responsible for controlling the paint and locking it down is a pretty hard sell to anyone that watched the game.
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I said I get that Favors as a defensive sub would have made sense. I thought both Favors and Kanter played excellent D. But Favors was a nightmare on offense and Kanter wasn't much better. That run we made in the 2nd (and holding serve in the early 4th) was all about the break. But on offense, those dudes were terrible. 6 TO's in 30 combined minutes.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Did you watch the game? Not everything is traditional, individual production. Saying that all of the success of the second unit was Either Watson or Tinsley, Burks, Hayward, and not the men responsible for controlling the paint and locking it down is a pretty hard sell to anyone that watched the game.
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I can agree with this. Their defense is so consistently good that our bench usually has no trouble outscoring the other team even when Favors and Kanter are having off-nights offensively.
 
The Norm said:
Forget about the rotations for a minute and try to justify the utter lack of direction on offense this team has displayed ever since teams took away our transition game. It's unbelievably bad. I don't know what the hell Corbin is doing, and apparently he doesn't either.
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Maybe it is just a lack of intensity, but it is painful to watch when down the stretch the Jazz offense reverts to: one pass and a jump shot, or pass to Al, who puts up a contested shot or throws it out to the pg in the corner.

There are some exceptions, but imo the repetition of those scenarios is what kills us.
 
billyshelby said:
I said I get that Favors as a defensive sub would have made sense. I thought both Favors and Kanter played excellent D. But Favors was a nightmare on offense and Kanter wasn't much better. That run we made in the 2nd (and holding serve in the early 4th) was all about the break. But on offense, those dudes were terrible. 6 TO's in 30 combined minutes.
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"Favors was awful", then "Favors and Kanter played excellent D".

That is not awful.
 
The hard part is I'm a spurned fan that's totally excited about the 6-12 of our lineup if we ever commit. Would go from POd to euphoric
 
NUMBERICA said:
"Favors was awful", then "Favors and Kanter played excellent D".

That is not awful.
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Then I amend my hyperbole. But it's hard to play post players when they're awful on offense which they were. That said, I would always sub Favors into any game for a last second defensive substitution no matter how he's playing.
 
plz Favors was bad on O but a better touch from being excellent on O. I'll take it any day. Once he gets that touch it will be all worth it.
Play the guy
 
Foye has moved into Roger Bell mythical status in Ty's mind. He thinks Randy is essential to the offense that isn't actually running. Consequently, Randy Bell will log more and more minutes no matter how he plays. He played great tonight. But on the other 9 nights out of 10 where he's worthless, he'll play just as much.
 
billyshelby said:
Foye has moved into Roger Bell mythical status in Ty's mind. He thinks Randy is essential to the offense that isn't actually running. Consequently, Randy Bell will log more and more minutes no matter how he plays. He played great tonight. But on the other 9 nights out of 10 where he's worthless, he'll play just as much.
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Randy Foye thinks hes better than he is. Earlier in the season when he was coming off the bench, he was playing as if he was the primary option in the 2nd unit. He doesn't deserve the right to try to create his own shot because he can't. And he plays horrible defense too.
 
Oh man I'm too dissapointed to read anything on this thread but we single-handedly lost that game when we went to Al in the post ISO situation in clutch a number of times. Terrible call can't wait till he's off the team. That was just awful. Also when is Corbin going to learn that opposing teams go against Al in the high pick and roll on purpose?? This is the easiest weapon against the Jazz.

The only way we can win games is if the 2nd unit of the young 4 completely obliterates the team and then we can only pray that the starters don't give up the lead. In today's case, they starters blew it. Orlando, they didn't.
 
I DVR'd this game and the second quarter was mind blowing! When the starters came back it was Hayward that was doing all of the little stuff needed to win the game.

Unfortunately in the 4th Hayward couldn't make up for all of the deficiencies of the other players on the floor. There was a lot to overcome, like stupidity, laziness, really bad defense and last but certainly not least, stagnant ball movement.

I know that the running joke is that Hayward is God. I might add that if Hayward is god then Jefferson/Corbin/Foye are the three headed antichrist.
 
Spencer Ryan Hall ‏@saltcityhoops
Chris Paul, sad but true: "Anytime two guys come to trap me, I’m always going to attack the slower guy. […] I was right around Al anyway."

This is just ****ing sad. I'm glad CP3 said this.
 
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