Lindsey: read it and weep
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Hartsock
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Why would the best teams be involved in trade rumors? They have the best players and generally have no need to mix anything up. But I agree Lindseys comment made no sense either.
We must be even more patient with Kanter. Check back in 5 years.
Fixed.
Hotdog
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I'm pretty sure thats what he said. Re-read his post please
This is so stupid. Do you honestly think kids now days give a rats @$$ about earning or learning from the bench? We live in a new society. Yes it is and should be the right way for a young guy to do it, to earn his keep. But that is not the society we live in. Now days they want it now. And all the patient talk only leads to one thing. The player walks once their contract is up. My fear isn't that their time won't come. My fear is how will they react when another team talks to them and reminds them how Utah didn't trust their skill set and had them on the bench for 3 years.
Hartsock
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Ahhhhh, touche, sorry Numberica
Hotdog
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That's one of the biggest things that bugs me. Kanter is being lost in the whole mix. We spent a 3rd overall pick for a guy who the Jazz will probably never start even though he will be good enough to.
dipship31
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So Karl averaged 14 and 8 in 30 MPG his rookie year, got significant playing time, and by year three was averaging 27 and 12. Favors or Kanter will never enter that kind of numbers club, but I have ZERO doubt that if they had been given 30 MPG they could've at least averaged close to that 14/8 that Karl did and would be progressing exponentially faster.
vslice02
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Before the "Sloan didn't play Deron either" argument spirals out of control, a couple of facts:
1.) Sloan admitted he probably should've played Deron more as a rookie.
2.) Even playing less than he likely deserved, Deron still started 47/80 games and averaged 29 min per - as a rookie.
3.) Prior to becoming a starter as a rookie, Deron's numbers were: 9.3pts/3.9ast/FG:38%FG/3pt:35% in 26.5 mpg. (Not much better than Palacio/McLeod)
As a starter 12.4pts/5.2ast/FG:47%/3pt:54% in 30mpg. He should've played more but he also didn't play well to start the season.
4.) In Deron's 2nd-season he started all 80 games and averaged 36.9 mpg. And he also spent some time that summer working w/former Jazz great John Stockton.
I see Favors' mpg go from 20.2 in 2011, to 21.2 in 11-12, to 22.0 in 12-13. I see Kanter improve by leaps&bounds yet his minutes progress only from 13.2 to 14.3 and sometimes he doesn't even get into the game in the 2nd-half. I see Burks go from 7 DNP-CD in 11-12 to 16 DNP-CD in 12-13. How can anyone see legitimate progression there?
1.) Sloan admitted he probably should've played Deron more as a rookie.
2.) Even playing less than he likely deserved, Deron still started 47/80 games and averaged 29 min per - as a rookie.
3.) Prior to becoming a starter as a rookie, Deron's numbers were: 9.3pts/3.9ast/FG:38%FG/3pt:35% in 26.5 mpg. (Not much better than Palacio/McLeod)
As a starter 12.4pts/5.2ast/FG:47%/3pt:54% in 30mpg. He should've played more but he also didn't play well to start the season.
4.) In Deron's 2nd-season he started all 80 games and averaged 36.9 mpg. And he also spent some time that summer working w/former Jazz great John Stockton.
I see Favors' mpg go from 20.2 in 2011, to 21.2 in 11-12, to 22.0 in 12-13. I see Kanter improve by leaps&bounds yet his minutes progress only from 13.2 to 14.3 and sometimes he doesn't even get into the game in the 2nd-half. I see Burks go from 7 DNP-CD in 11-12 to 16 DNP-CD in 12-13. How can anyone see legitimate progression there?
Rep this man.
Sort of. It would be different. The Jazz would get their points by being physically superior to their opponents and/or by outworking them. Transition, offensive rebounds, and ball-movement. Enes will look like Shaq/McHale/Malone some nights and Rafa on others, Favors will look like rookie Amare on some nights and Chris Wilcox in others, Hayward will look like Ginobili on some nights and Giricek in others, and Alec Burks will look like Dwyane Wade on some nights but will look more like David Benoit (I'm finding a hard comparison here) on others.
But consistent performance requires consistent opportunities. That is consistent. The team could be a lot better, roughly the same, or a little worse. I do not believe the Jazz would be a lot worse than they have been.
GVC
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Yep. Does Marvin play the 3 any better than Millsap? Does Earl play the point any better than Burks? Would cutting Al's and Millsap's minutes by 2-4 each hurt the team's chances of making the playoffs? Has Ty made any changes not motivated by injuries other than moving Foye to the starting lineup this season? I have trouble seeing how anyone could answer "yes" to any of these questions. The minutes/opportunity are there for the youngsters.
Play Millsap at the 3 for 8 minutes per game, cut Al's minutes by 4 and Paul's minutes by 2 per game, and you've created 14 additional minutes per game for Favors and Kanter.
I'm willing to give KOC/Lindsey through fee agency to see what direction they're going to take the team, as they have limited control over what moves they can make now (and might not get deals they think are better than the potential sign-and-trade value of pending free agents), but watching a re-hash of last season, while developing young talent, ready for more responsibility, is ignored on the bench game after game is tiresome.
MoTappin
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bam!
Litany
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I'm one of the more critical people of Jazz mgmt and coaching but I actually enjoyed the interview.
Two things stuck out to me:
-his mentioning Favors and Kanter commitment to winning. I think we see that but it is good to hear him talk about it. I remember when Al made those loser mentality comments last playoffs and jazz mgmt talked go him about it. I think they know Al's mentality but won't crush him publicly. Which is smart.
-I also liked that he mentioned that if we are contending we will go Into the Lux tax. They've done it before in Derons last year and he mentions that revenue sharing in the new CBA makes this easier.
Two things stuck out to me:
-his mentioning Favors and Kanter commitment to winning. I think we see that but it is good to hear him talk about it. I remember when Al made those loser mentality comments last playoffs and jazz mgmt talked go him about it. I think they know Al's mentality but won't crush him publicly. Which is smart.
-I also liked that he mentioned that if we are contending we will go Into the Lux tax. They've done it before in Derons last year and he mentions that revenue sharing in the new CBA makes this easier.