Per 36 of the C4 and projections.

[b_line]

I think these numbers might be a little high. I'm glad Cy brought up the point about 4 players over 17ppg.

This is what I see:

Hayward: 20 PPG, 4 RPG, 5 APG

Favors: 14 PPG, 11 RPG, 2.5 BPG

Kanter: 18 PPG, 12 RPG, 2.5 APG

Burks: 19 PPG, 6 RPG, 3 APG

I think some of those numbers might be a little high. A lot of these numbers will fluctuate based on this upcoming draft.

Those numbers are pretty similar to mine. The only thing I would is that I think favors will end up being a player who COULD average 18 ppg but will probably end up getting 12-14 because he will be focused on defense. I see burks getting like 16, 4 and 4. I think you are spot on with Hayward though. 20 ppg is probably his ceiling.

 

[nightmare3983]

The Bill Russell Celtics had 4 or more players scoring 15 PPG or more multiple years.

As did the Showtime Lakers.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So the Suns hit 4 with over 17 once, almost twice (Marbury's last year).

 

[b_line]

So the Suns hit 4 with over 17 once, almost twice (Marbury's last year).

I don't think the jazz will have four players like this. I think we are going to have a better defense than what we have now, if only due to the fact that every member of the C4 is better defensively than the player they will replace. I think all of these players have the potential to be great, and we will probably have three all stars at some point, but four players getting enough touches to be all stars is a lot to ask.

 

[nightmare3983]

Not the same thing we're talking about, but in 90-91 Run TMC on the Warriors each averaged at least 22.9 PPG.

 

[b_line]

Not the same thing we're talking about, but in 90-91 Run TMC on the Warriors each averaged at least 22.9 PPG.

Wow. I had forgotten how good they were. Probably because I was so young at that point and really only remember Chris mullin. That's pretty impressive

 

[vj_74]

There is not really a "Detroit model" of winning a championship. They were an outlier at best. And maybe a Malone knee injury away from not winning it all

I cant believe that even the new guy on the job, Lindsey, is trying to sell the same BS about Jazz going after a Pistons model. There is no such model. It was a one time thing.
There is no model for a team having developed 4 lotto picks on their own into 4 very good players(but not stars or superstars) and winning it all.

Plus,People also forget that the Pistons pulled a major mid-season trade to get Rasheed which was the turning point. Will the Jazz ever do that?

Also, even if they didnt have any offfensive superstars they had multiple NBA defensive player of the year champion in Ben and several other defensive specialists who can play D at a high level. In other words, they had several stars aligned in the right way. Good luck emulating that

 

[b_line]

There is not really a "Detroit model" of winning a championship. They were an outlier at best. And maybe a Malone knee injury away from not winning it all

I cant believe that even the new guy on the job, Lindsey, is trying to sell the same BS about Jazz going after a Pistons model. There is no such model. It was a one time thing.
There is no model for a team having developed 4 lotto picks on their own into 4 very good players(but not stars or superstars) and winning it all.

Plus,People also forget that the Pistons pulled a major mid-season trade to get Rasheed which was the turning point. Will the Jazz ever do that?

Also, even if they didnt have any offfensive superstars they had multiple NBA defensive player of the year champion in Ben and several other defensive specialists who can play D at a high level. In other words, they had several stars aligned in the right way. Good luck emulating that

Favors is already pretty decent defensively with limited minutes. Hayward plays some darn god defense too, as does demarre, and burks defense is coming on. I don't think any team should try to copy the exact model of another team, but it is pretty clear out you g guys have a chance to develop into something special.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is not really a "Detroit model" of winning a championship. They were an outlier at best. And maybe a Malone knee injury away from not winning it all

I cant believe that even the new guy on the job, Lindsey, is trying to sell the same BS about Jazz going after a Pistons model. There is no such model. It was a one time thing.
There is no model for a team having developed 4 lotto picks on their own into 4 very good players(but not stars or superstars) and winning it all.

Plus,People also forget that the Pistons pulled a major mid-season trade to get Rasheed which was the turning point. Will the Jazz ever do that?

Also, even if they didnt have any offfensive superstars they had multiple NBA defensive player of the year champion in Ben and several other defensive specialists who can play D at a high level. In other words, they had several stars aligned in the right way. Good luck emulating that

Pretty much every model outside of drafting a superstar is an outlier. We have to try what we have the best shot at accomplishing.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think the jazz will have four players like this. I think we are going to have a better defense than what we have now, if only due to the fact that every member of the C4 is better defensively than the player they will replace. I think all of these players have the potential to be great, and we will probably have three all stars at some point, but four players getting enough touches to be all stars is a lot to ask.

I think it has less to do with the players you have, but the tempo you run. Obviously you have to have talented players, but I think more teams could reach those #'s if they ran offenses like D'Antoni Suns. I think you put Favors, Burks, Hayward, and Kanter alongside Nash with D'Antoni and at least 3 of them along with Nash would put up 15 ppg.

 

[addictionary]

I believe Favors and Enes will have a bigger gap in PPG than 1 as they reach their primes. I also think Burks will become a star in this league. But unless they stop benching him stupidly at times, that could change.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Oh.

Ok. So lets wait 10+ years for this team to actually compete for a championship? Maybe we should start rebuilding/developing these guys? Maybe work towards that championship?

All the more reason why we should have traded away Millsap/Jefferson. And why the hell are we still starting the old farts at point?

How long did Stockton and Malone have to wait before actually competing for a Championship? 10+ years of being together, right? **** doesn't happen overnight.