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The USA is a police state

i dont like it either but 9/11 bro. changed everything.

false flag

- 3 buildings systematically pulverized by high-tech explosives, including micro-nuclear charges
- no plane at the Pentagon (missile)
- no plane at the "crash site" in Pennsylvania
- false and manipulated media reports
- false pretense to implement Patriot Act and Agenda 21 measures
- false pretense to increase surveillance of U.S. population
- false pretense to invade Iraq for multiple reasons not related to "terrorism"
 
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false flag

- 3 buildings systematically pulverized by high-tech explosives, including micro-nuclear charges
- no plane at the Pentagon (missile)
- no plane at the "crash site" in Pennsylvania
- false and manipulated media reports
- false pretense to implement Patriot Act and Agenda 21 measures
- false pretense to increase surveillance of U.S. population
- false pretense to invade Iraq for multiple reasons not related to "terrorism"

I wondered how long it would take for someone to get here.
 
Lets face it, you could make a case that we've been becoming a "police state" since the time the Constitution was ratified.

How dare the evil big fed government take control of the economy and tell southern plantation owners what to do! How dare they! And how dare they keep troops in those lands to monitor the progress and to make sure slavery was abolished! What a police state!

How dare Teddy get involved in the economy and tell bankers and industrialists what to do! Freaking police state!

How dare we prevent kids from working and pass a stupid 40 hr work week! And now the freaking feds want to inspect meat plants? What a police state!

How dare Hoover use the army to break up marchers wanting their military bonuses early! Police state!

How dare FDR place Japanese in camps. Police state!

How dare Communists be arrested and questioned! Police state!

How dare the government put fluoride into water! Police state!

How dare the feds send the national guard to force schools to desegregate!

How dare the feds pass laws regarding car safety! Police state!

Well, you get the point. Sometimes the "police state" works for the better and sometimes the worse. Some of the things done since 9/11 are good. Metal detectors, airport security, etc were good moves. Of course, we have gone a bit over the top with the spying on emails. I don't think the end of the world is coming. Relax.

We do however, need to get money out of politics.
 
Well, technically a police state means that the resident population is subject to surveillance, arrest, intimidation and penalty without just cause. We're not really in a police state at this point. But if certain executive orders created under the Obama administration were actually enforced, then I suppose we would be. They're just experimenting with some of these measures at this point, and quite frankly, I don't see it really happening. It's just not practical or even necessary.

What they want are strict measures to control the population in the event of a financial collapse, disease pandemic or geophysical catastrophe. This has been anticipated and prepared for years, and what we see are these measures playing out, or, in some cases, they're trying to cover their tracks a bit.
 
Didn't ronald reagan ban assault rifles?.... i heard that on facebook.

Anywho, none of this stuff that scares salty really bothers me at all... never known anyone to be affected by any of it, and out of sight out of mind.

What really grinds my gears is that it is law that i have to wear a seat belt in a car that i own!..... It is law that i have to shovel my walks or get a fine!... Animal control tried to give me a ticket for not having my dog on a leash at the park while i was playing fetch with him and i was the only one at the park! (i ran from the bitch and never accepted the ticket though cause i dont give a ****)...... I heard that new york was going to ban certain sizes of soft drinks!...... I heard some dumb *** town in massachussets or someplace was going to fine people for cussing!...... Alot of communties require stupid crap like that you have to have a tree in certain part of your yard so all the houses and yards look the same!.... My wife makes me do the dishes after dinner!.... Pot is still illegal where i live!....

These are the real issues facing americans today!
 
Anyone who feels that Amurika is becoming too oppressive should get the hell out and move to Afghanistan or Somalia. No control, no government, crap police, no taxes, no society, just get the hell out.

Or move to the south.

There's a reason why the south sucks so bad. The only thing that saves it is SEC football
 
Didn't ronald reagan ban assault rifles?.... i heard that on facebook.

Anywho, none of this stuff that scares salty really bothers me at all... never known anyone to be affected by any of it, and out of sight out of mind.

What really grinds my gears is that it is law that i have to wear a seat belt in a car that i own!..... It is law that i have to shovel my walks or get a fine!... Animal control tried to give me a ticket for not having my dog on a leash at the park while i was playing fetch with him and i was the only one at the park! (i ran from the bitch and never accepted the ticket though cause i dont give a ****)...... I heard that new york was going to ban certain sizes of soft drinks!...... I heard some dumb *** town in massachussets or someplace was going to fine people for cussing!...... Alot of communties require stupid crap like that you have to have a tree in certain part of your yard so all the houses and yards look the same!.... My wife makes me do the dishes after dinner!.... Pot is still illegal where i live!....

These are the real issues facing americans today!

BTW this post was 99% sarcastic...... in actuallity i love my country and my president i am a very happy person with a great life and i am not threatened by any of the stuff in this thread (or the gun control thread)
 
Lets face it, you could make a case that we've been becoming a "police state" since the time the Constitution was ratified.

How dare the evil big fed government take control of the economy and tell southern plantation owners what to do! How dare they! And how dare they keep troops in those lands to monitor the progress and to make sure slavery was abolished! What a police state!

How dare Teddy get involved in the economy and tell bankers and industrialists what to do! Freaking police state!

How dare we prevent kids from working and pass a stupid 40 hr work week! And now the freaking feds want to inspect meat plants? What a police state!

How dare Hoover use the army to break up marchers wanting their military bonuses early! Police state!

How dare FDR place Japanese in camps. Police state!

How dare Communists be arrested and questioned! Police state!

How dare the government put fluoride into water! Police state!

How dare the feds send the national guard to force schools to desegregate!

How dare the feds pass laws regarding car safety! Police state!

Well, you get the point. Sometimes the "police state" works for the better and sometimes the worse. Some of the things done since 9/11 are good. Metal detectors, airport security, etc were good moves. Of course, we have gone a bit over the top with the spying on emails. I don't think the end of the world is coming. Relax.

We do however, need to get money out of politics.

This is about it. Everything we're doing now is no different than what they did in the past. We just forget it, or didn't realize it ... or didn't care. In the 1950s, cops could legally check whatever you had in your car and there wasn't much you could do about it. Today? The law says they can't, though, let's be certain, sometimes that isn't always the case.

But freedom goes beyond just how inconvenienced you are at the airport. This is where the idea of a 'police state' falters because in every non-free country, you're not allowed to say anything negative about the government. You're not allowed, in many instances, to believe in a certain God - or no god at all. You're not allowed to be gay (in Africa, they put people to death for being gay). They've got archaic laws that are absolutely horrid.

Is America the freedom mecca some believe? Absolutely not. But we never have been, so, let's ignore that disillusion and stop pretending this just happened over night. It didn't. We've always been a country that preserves the most basic freedoms, but still puts limits on freedoms - whether it was because you were Irish, a woman, black or now gay. I hope that changes. I think it will, as it has changed in every past struggle - but it's not new and to me, those rights, those liberties, are more important than whether some anti-American terrorist is being droned to death in Afghanistan or Pakistan or whatever.
 
BTW this post was 99% sarcastic...... in actuallity i love my country and my president i am a very happy person with a great life and i am not threatened by any of the stuff in this thread (or the gun control thread)

Too late, there's a drone outside your door right now.
 
Regardless of two of you trying to justify corrupt behavior with genuflection to historical corruptions, the term Police State should not be upheld as being sacrosanct. People should be crying police state right now. It doesn't matter that the most corrupt governments had worse intrusions and behaviors. The 21st century type of technological tyranny that we are entering is wholly uncharted and everybody should scream together when we don't approve of something. That's the only way we are going to prevent it from being worse than anything we've ever seen. We should be the ones deciding where this all goes. Government does not know best.

Personally, I'm just as worried about private citizens though. Google Glass and all that nonsense that is forthcoming doesn't make me smile. We're going to be creating this whole environment where everybody spies on everybody. Cameras rolling 24/7 on a floor level in public. Easy remote access to your home cameras. There is going to "secret shoppers" looking into you at work regardless of profession. It's going to get really weird here in the not too distant future.
 
This is about it. Everything we're doing now is no different than what they did in the past. We just forget it, or didn't realize it ... or didn't care. In the 1950s, cops could legally check whatever you had in your car and there wasn't much you could do about it. Today? The law says they can't, though, let's be certain, sometimes that isn't always the case.

But freedom goes beyond just how inconvenienced you are at the airport. This is where the idea of a 'police state' falters because in every non-free country, you're not allowed to say anything negative about the government. You're not allowed, in many instances, to believe in a certain God - or no god at all. You're not allowed to be gay (in Africa, they put people to death for being gay). They've got archaic laws that are absolutely horrid.

Is America the freedom mecca some believe? Absolutely not. But we never have been, so, let's ignore that disillusion and stop pretending this just happened over night. It didn't. We've always been a country that preserves the most basic freedoms, but still puts limits on freedoms - whether it was because you were Irish, a woman, black or now gay. I hope that changes. I think it will, as it has changed in every past struggle - but it's not new and to me, those rights, those liberties, are more important than whether some anti-American terrorist is being droned to death in Afghanistan or Pakistan or whatever.

Warrantless wiretapping was absolutely NOT always legal. Please stop saying this has always been happening.

Detaining American citizens indefinitely without a warrant and without ever charging them with a crime has absolutely NOT always been legal. I realize it was done to the Japanese while we were at war with Japan. But that is NOT the same thing that is happening right now.

For one thing, supposedly that Japanese internment camp thing was a big mistake that we will never make again. And we only did it (supposedly) because we were at war and it was a national emergency.

Well we're not at war now and none of these detentions are a national emergency. If there is some evidence that it is a national emergency, then prove it in court like the constitution says.

And it wasn't even possible to get all your (even deleted) emails, text messages, call logs, and time stamped history of everywhere you've been in the 50s. Back then the technology didn't exist to get all of this information. And what little information you could actually get, absolutely required a warrant to get it.
 
Warrantless wiretapping was absolutely NOT always legal. Please stop saying this has always been happening.

Detaining American citizens indefinitely without a warrant and without ever charging them with a crime has absolutely NOT always been legal. I realize it was done to the Japanese while we were at war with Japan. But that is NOT the same thing that is happening right now.

For one thing, supposedly that Japanese internment camp thing was a big mistake that we will never make again. And we only did it (supposedly) because we were at war and it was a national emergency.

Well we're not at war now and none of these detentions are a national emergency. If there is some evidence that it is a national emergency, then prove it in court like the constitution says.

And it wasn't even possible to get all your (even deleted) emails, text messages, call logs, and time stamped history of everywhere you've been in the 50s. Back then the technology didn't exist to get all of this information. And what little information you could actually get, absolutely required a warrant to get it.

Tell that to the soldiers in Afghanistan.
 
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