Islam is not one thing, just like Christianity is not one thing. Different branches and spread over a wide geographic area where it is common for the government to be involved with the way the religion is practiced locally.
Are you guys completely cool with your kids dating/marrying someone of a different race?
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Islam is not one thing, just like Christianity is not one thing. Different branches and spread over a wide geographic area where it is common for the government to be involved with the way the religion is practiced locally.
On my mission my companion and I were often the only male missionaries in my "district". There are more male missionaries than female but the changing of the age restrictions will narrow that gap significantly I think.
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One Brow: Interesting views, thanks for sharing. I would have framed it a bit differently, in that misogyny is literally hatred of women (from Greek misein to hate + gynē woman). I would see "Racial hatred" as the analog for "misogyny," and "sexism" as the analog for "racism."
So taking your example, if one "puts a woman on a pedestal to put her in a cage" as an expression of one's hatred of women, then misogeny is clearly in play. But let's just say for argument that one likes women but wants to control them, the act would be one of sexism but not misogyny. In other words, one cannot take the "hatred" out of misogeny and have it still be misogyny.
One Brow: Interesting views, thanks for sharing. I would have framed it a bit differently, in that misogyny is literally hatred of women (from Greek misein to hate + gynē woman). I would see "Racial hatred" as the analog for "misogyny," and "sexism" as the analog for "racism."
So taking your example, if one "puts a woman on a pedestal to put her in a cage" as an expression of one's hatred of women, then misogeny is clearly in play. But let's just say for argument that one likes women but wants to control them, the act would be one of sexism but not misogyny. In other words, one cannot take the "hatred" out of misogeny and have it still be misogyny.
Also it would not be racism. If someone hated Muslims it would be religious bigotry, not racism.
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He's just holding out for 10 cows for each of them.
Let's not be dumb here, most Americans associate Middle Eastern skin tones with being Muslim. They are seperate things, but most people associate them and group all Middle Easterners as being "Muslims" even though they may not be.
Then stop acting that way. Regardless of what someone may or may not perceive it to be, racism is racism and religious bigotry is religious bigotry. If they hate middle eaterners than yeah, racism. If they hate Muslims than religious bigotry. I do see scenarios where they could over lap.
Edit: In this situation I think PKM is smart enough to be given the benefit of the doubt.
Wow, argument by dictionary, and then without even a link to your dictionary?
https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Misogyny
https://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/misogyny
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/misogyny?rdfrom=Misogyny
https://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/misogyny?view=uk
Next time you want to argue by dictionary, you should probably look at more than one dictionary, and consider how the implications of the examples provided. Or don't.
No. The enforcement of the cultural difference is not proof of the misogyny, it is the misogyny.
As well as interactions in this forum, sure. I'm not an expert on the LDS, by any means. It's not entirely a coincidence that every story I have heard is about male missionaries, but there certainly could be female missionaries whose contributions just aren't mentioned. Please talk about the women missionaries you served alongside. HOw aobut the women bishops and prophets, or the history of women having several husbands as a part of Mormon history. I'm all ears.
It's a free country. You are free to make completely false statements, and I am free to demonstrate their falsity.
I have come to a tentative conclusion, based on the evidence I have so far described. As I said, if you have additional evidence, I will consider it.
Also, it's rude to use quotation marks for indirect quotes.
Why would I want to see that?
https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Misogyny
https://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/misogyny
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/misogyny?rdfrom=Misogyny
https://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/misogyny?view=uk
Next time you want to argue by dictionary, you should probably look at more than one dictionary, and consider how the implications of the examples provided. Or don't.
No. The enforcement of the cultural difference is not proof of the misogyny, it is the misogyny.
As well as interactions in this forum, sure. I'm not an expert on the LDS, by any means. It's not entirely a coincidence that every story I have heard is about male missionaries, but there certainly could be female missionaries whose contributions just aren't mentioned. Please talk about the women missionaries you served alongside. HOw aobut the women bishops and prophets, or the history of women having several husbands as a part of Mormon history. I'm all ears.
It's a free country. You are free to make completely false statements, and I am free to demonstrate their falsity.
I have come to a tentative conclusion, based on the evidence I have so far described. As I said, if you have additional evidence, I will consider it.
Also, it's rude to use quotation marks for indirect quotes.
Why would I want to see that?
Agreed, but to a lesser degree. Do to the privilege of our experiences as males being considered normative, women have a much better idea of what it means to be male than men do what it means to be female.
Only to the degree you can say all Christians have fairly similar values. For that matter, to the degree that's true, all people, religious and non-religious, have fairly similar values.
I am sorry but I have to disagree. They simply can't.
Notice I said "by decree or by culture". Do they go on missions in equal numbers, and if not, why not? Are the future rewards for missionary work the same? For example, if you to have been on a mission to be a bishop, and woman can't be bishops (I don't know if this is true or not), that's not a ban, but the difference in mission participation is still fruit of the misogynist restrictions on leadership.
Funny how those, aside from some guy taking a shot at religion, talk about hate, distrust or some form of prejudice as being misogony. How does putting a woman on a pedistal equate to hate, prejudice or distrust?
OneBrow, out of curiosity, do you consider chivalry a form of misogyny? Opening doors for women? After all, they could certainly open the door themselves.
I watch my daughter's dates when they pick them up and if they don't open the car door for my girls, it's definitely a check against them before they even leave the driveway.
I watch my daughter's dates when they pick them up and if they don't open the car door for my girls, it's definitely a check against them before they even leave the driveway.
Serving a mission is not a requirement for any calling in the church, at any level. Women cannot be bishops but men cannot be Relief Society presidents. As for the number of female to male missionaries. No they are not in equal numbers, more males go. There is more of an emphasis on men going. Often times in Mormon culture men and women get married young. Say 21-22 for a man and 19-20 for a woman. If you have a family you cannot go on a mission. So many Mormon women are married by the time they got to 21 which was the previous age for female missionaries.
With the recent changes in age I think there will be dramatic increase in female missionaries.
First, that distinction amounts to splitting hairs. In any culture where a group is limited, narrowly defined, or segregated, hatred of that group is the inevitable byproduct of those efforts. This is true even when the limitations are supposedly positive (aka "women just know how to be parents"). If you have sexism, misogyny will be present.
Second, the usage I typically see generally means sexism can refer more generally to the harm done to men as well as women, where misogyny narrows that scope to just women (although sexism applies there as well).
I don't know about the numbers but there is no reward for male missionaries that females do not realize.
My understanding of PKM is that he would be very uncomfortable with one of kids dating a Muslim of European descent. HOwever, that doesn't mean Cyrone Torbin is wrong.
I see where you are going with this and I disagree (surprising I know). Mormons, as are many other religions, are a men lead culture. There are positions that women cannot hold, such as a Bishop. This has not and will not lead to hatred.
There are (I don'[t have the exact number) at least 2 movies/TV shows/books/etc. with a male protagonist to every one with a female, and male writers outnumber female similarly. It's one result of the male experience being normative. Women can't avoid seeing our experience.