Are you guys completely cool with your kids dating/marrying someone of a different race?
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PearlWatson
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Well, if he truly loves he should be fine with it. What a better way to show your father in law that she is more important then some religious rituals/restrictions? Or should I be happy with him saying, hey I love your daughter but not enough if she is eating pork or shrimp
Which brings us back to my question. Would any of hard core religious people be able to live and raise kids together and love somebody who is not of their faith or does not believe in god at all?
I'm just saying he doesn't have to accept his father in laws conditions to marry her or "show his love for her." Your daughter ain't your possession. She can choose whom she marries but I doubt with how you have raised her she is going to go for a hard core religious person anyway so it won't matter.
It would be a hard thing to come to terms with if a child of mine married an atheist because it would be a rejection of how I raised them, but I would still love them and treat their spouse as family.
P.S. When did you have another daughter?
MVP
Well-Known Member
Well it would be her conditions as well as far as I can tell
. And love is a funny thing... you never know what your kids can fall for. P.S. Almost 8 years ago
. She was born here in N.America.
What do you think my views on racism are?
Hartsock
Banned
Ummmm, you dont like it?
I've met at least a dozen missionaries, none of them female. In here, the stories are all about the girls who wait for missionary boys to return, never the boys who are waiting for the girls. That's a symptom of misogyny. You can claim it is not, but as long as women are not considered worthy enough or eligible for such work, whether by decree or by culture, it is misogyny, your protestations notwithstanding. That'[s not my perception, it's the very real insistence that there is some fundamental difference, a claim founded in dogma rather than study.
I never expected otherwise. Tobacco companies also had their own point of view for decades (that tobacco and cancer were not linked). It turns out that some things are not viewpoint dependent, they exist in spite of denials.
Absolutely. Studies need to be well-constructed, carefully and cautiously interpreted, and verified in multiple ways. Outright fraud is rare, but over-eagerness and over-generalization are rampant.
It's not the payers, its the methodology. If the LDS hired independent researchers, stayed out of the experimental design process, did not interfere with the conducting of the experiment or research, and exercised no editorial control over the conclusions, than research paid for by them would be as valid as research paid for by the NIH. By contrast, there's a huge scandal brewing over pharmaceutical companies rigged experiments in the design phase, and I don't trust that research at all.
Not just for religion (see examples of tobacco and drug companies already mentioned). If you have a stake in the results, it's very difficult to create a fair measurement. As another example, I would give no more credence to a study funded by an organization of ex-Mormons whose main purpose was to attack the LDS church than I would to a study by Mormons.
For now, I am presuming that is not the part Stoked claims that I think my opinion differs from others on.
That's an interesting word choice, "enlightened". Enlightenment only happens after study and contemplation. I try to be circumspect enough not to debate on topics with people who are more enlightened than I. I might disagree with you on the overall effects of gun ownership vs. crime rates (as far as I know, you are not a criminologist), but I have never questioned you on things like how quickly you can load and fire a gun, how well a holster prevents accidental discharge, etc.; you have studied that issue, you are more enlightened than I. Go back and check the conversation if you recall otherwise. By contrast, do you read any blogs on racial issues regularly? Have you taken any classes? Have you Have you ever tried to go past received wisdom?
I respect expertise and study. I'm not an expert on racism, but I have put some study into the topic, and I certainly have more personal experience with it than, say, feminism.
Ah, well I was trying to be tricky by saying ethnicity. Her father is Hispanic (his parents are from Mexico).
Something else altogether. Misogyny (racism, ableism, etc.) are about cultural constructions, the way attitudes get woven into the fabric of our lives, the way that if you are male (white, unchallenged, etc.) your experience is considered normative and your information is considered valuable. Putting a woman on a pedestal is another way of putting her in a cage.
I'm sure you meant that in fun, but it's something I try to be careful about. White knighting can be another method of diminishing women, by saying that I, as a man, am more fit to do battle than they are.
If moevillini, jazz fanatic, or any other female wishes to engage in these discussions, they'll have my full support, and I will try to avoid stepping on their toes. After all, they certainly have a source of enlightenment I will never experience.
So you use an example of there being cultural differences between women and men as proof that there is hatred towards women. Laughable. And all of this based on your limited interaction with "at least a dozen missionaries". Wow, just wow. And the completely ignorant comment saying women are not considered worthy or eligible for missionary work is also that, ignorant.
I'm saying either you have no clue what you are talking about, and/or you have no clue what the word means.
"protestations withstanding" tells me you have already made up your mind based on bad and no information and a warped idea of what a word means. This is just your point of view and you see what you want to see, and all with limited information and the apparent fact that you "want" to see misogyny in the LDS Church or LDS culture.
Yes they will. But no more than you and I have one that they will never have.
A Muslim friend of mine's older sister is engaged to a white Christian. Obviously they are fine with it, but she has yet to tell her parents out of fear of extreme disapproval.
Nah, it's being racist by grouping them all together as having the same "lifestyle". Not all Muslims are the same.
Hartsock
Banned
Shouldn't mos Muslims have fairly similar values though? I really don't know, but I would assume they would.
I disagree. Being uninformed does not have to be racism.
About as much as any other religious body. There are those who are very hard liners and those that are more moderate and lax.
Your premise is wrong right from the get go. There are female missionaries and young women are encouraged to go on a mission. Kind of makes everything you wrote after your first sentence moot.