Sandy Braille
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Zoo, mind if you share?? Your parents were skeptical of your wife at first??
Not a huge deal. I get the feeling that my mom, whom I love dearly, would much prefer me to marry a woman of my own colour than marry a black girl.
Are you guys completely cool with your kids dating/marrying someone of a different race?
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Zoo, mind if you share?? Your parents were skeptical of your wife at first??
Not a huge deal. I get the feeling that my mom, whom I love dearly, would much prefer me to marry a woman of my own colour than marry a black girl.
For dating: I'd have no problem at all.
For marriage: The differing religion would affect me more than the differing ethnicity. Regardless, if the two started getting serious enough and thinking about marriage, I'd probably counsel my daughter that working things out in a marriage is hard enough even for people with similar backgrounds that I can't even imagine how difficult it might be for people with substantially different backgrounds. Seems like a recipe for failure. (Anyone seen any divorce stats for people of differing religions compared to similar religions? Or for people of differing ethnicities compared to similar ethnicities? I haven't, myself...I'm just assuming, here.) Still, if she felt it was the right thing for her to do, I'd support her.
Zulu
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No sandie.. I'm a white guy at the door of a black families door courting their daughter !!
My wife's older brother wasn't really down with it... But now he's real cool with it. Maybe Cuz I brought him to the place where his favorite artist was killed!!!
Also my family was all cool with my wife... I have a semi racist mom... She always tells people my wife isn't like all those other black people.. Lol it's way funny!!
What view would that be? You should at least be able to articulate a view before saying someone is mistaken in holding it.
People much more intelligent than I are strong believers, praying isn't any more of a waste of time than my board-gaming hobby, and atheists seem to be just as likely to to be smug jerks as any other group. Also, I find that believers carry considerably more angst against non-believers than the other way around.
My concern is with the effect religiousness has on decision-making, and in particular, the type of evidence that you consider relevant, and also that just about all religions are steeped in misogyny.
In most surveys, atheists are about as trusted as car salesmen and preachers. You still see atheism being portrayed as a character flaw in mainstream media. There are two topics sure to unite fundamentalist Christians and Muslims: gays and atheists.
I don't have many doubts on that score.
It just depends on where you stand. I could be concerned with the effect non-religiousness has on decision-making, and in particular, the type of evidence that you consider relevant, and also that just about all non-religionists are steeped in this false belief that religions are misogynistic.
Of course from your non religion point of view you feel the non-believer angst real or unreal as a personal attack and see it as bigger than the other way around, just as people that value religion may see more angst in the anti-religionists. The sword tip definitely makes more of an impression on our viewpoints, as opposed to the hilt. Besides often times when we lash out we view it as reasonable, but when we are lashed out against we view it as angst.
It's all in where we stand, and what we want to see as much as anything.
That's hilarious. I can just picture you cringing when she says stuff like that.
MVP
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ok, I thought about it for a bit and I think I would be fine with Muslim ( or other religious person) marrying my daughter as long as they accept her as she is and do not force their beliefs/traditions/rules on her.
So for example I will use hard core Jew as example to not stir pot about muslims anymore... If Jewish man wants to marry my daughter I would have condition like this - he can practice his religion all he wants as long as he is not restricting her diet, clothing, and not forcing her to follow Jewish religious holidays and rituals. Means no circumcision for baby boy unless he wants to do it when he is grown up 18 years old by his own will.
Would any of Muslim posters give freedom of choice for their non muslim wife like that as well? Be honest. Is it even possible?
So for example I will use hard core Jew as example to not stir pot about muslims anymore... If Jewish man wants to marry my daughter I would have condition like this - he can practice his religion all he wants as long as he is not restricting her diet, clothing, and not forcing her to follow Jewish religious holidays and rituals. Means no circumcision for baby boy unless he wants to do it when he is grown up 18 years old by his own will.
Would any of Muslim posters give freedom of choice for their non muslim wife like that as well? Be honest. Is it even possible?
The Black Swordsman
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You could also say that hatred for Muslims is shared by the ultra conservative Christian and the liberal atheist (think reddit).
I fully expect the former, and have no illusions of persuading you on the latter, no matter how obvious it is (in part because so many people think misogyny can only refer to active dislikes).
If for no other reason than population demographics, the effect of angst against non-believers is larger.
I agree there is a significant subjective component here, and could throw out a few fancy terms regarding it. However, there are also objective studies on the issue.
I was thinking more in terms of political policy than on-line discussions.
Zulu
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Yeah pretty much.....
Obvious to you based on your preferred point of view and what you prefer to believe/disbelieve.
How about a per person angst rating?
Your population demographics argument is just that, arguable.
Objective from who's point of view?
I think it was pretty obvious. That you are right and we are wrong.
Fishsticks
Banned
Sure pick and choose how to explain your arguement however it suits you from post to post.
PearlWatson
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They shouldn't force their rules on her but you think you can force conditions on them? Ain't happening.
Mr. McGibblets
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Haven't read the entire thread, but I wouldn't care. I'm white and there was a Haitian girl I had a crush on while serving my mission. We talked a lot post mission. She had a thing for me too. My parents knew she liked me and expressed support if I decided to date her.
I also dated a hot Bolivian for a while too and my parents never cared. So...no, I wouldn't care either.i have zero problems with it.
I also dated a hot Bolivian for a while too and my parents never cared. So...no, I wouldn't care either.i have zero problems with it.
Mr. McGibblets
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LOL
I have looked a couple of young men in the eyes and told them to be decent because I'm not afraid to go back to prison. One of them took it pretty seriously and asked my daughter several times if I really had been to prison. He didn't seem to believe her when she said I was joking.
I think the religion thing is pretty serious. I've seen people from different religions get married and all is well until they have kids and all of the sudden mom wants their kid baptized and dad doesn't and then religion is a huge issue. Even if both parents agree on how to raise their child I've seen the grandparents create quite the stink if the child is not raised a certain way.
Lol, you look like a even more hardened Walter White.