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Kirelenko in Trade talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No doubt everyone figures they can get more by haggling thru the weekend. No hurry.
Found this on Quinton Ross, the 2nd guy we'd be getting per the Sltrib, who I'm not very familiar with:
https://www.mahalo.com/quinton-ross
Says he's a defensive stopper, which just happens to be something we could use at the SG position... Sounds like KoC is maneuvering...
 
Sirkickyass has said everything and more that I want to say/reiterate. But I want to echo and add to what he said and Pearl said about finances. 1320 is reporting the ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM amount the Jazz could get, which would mean a record-level payout to non-LT payers for 2011 but also assumes there's a lockout for the 2011-2012 season. The reality is that the Jazz will be taking back more salary than just Diaw, the payout won't be that high AND THAT THERE'S ANOTHER YEAR OF DIAW'S SALARY, in addition to the fact that it likely makes the Jazz LESS flexible in the following year, not more. If Diaw himself was an expiring this would be a different conversation. But we don't know what impact that $9 million is going to have next year.

This whole thing stinks, top (Millers) to bottom (Locke). 1320 is nothing but a propagandha machine.

I have two hopes;
1) That this falls apart, or
2) That the Jazz have REALLY done their homework on this one and KNOW something the dissenters (most of us) don't.
 
The Pearl said:
This dove tails into the fallacy of the "injury" argument. The injury argument is based on a the fallacy that future injuries are even remotely predictable. The game is chaos and random as are injuries. The only injuries that are suspect are those chronic in nature. Think the Harp knee that didn't stop the Jazz from flushing 6 million down the toilet. Would you rather have Williams for a random 65 games a year or 82 games or Ray Felton?

Furthermore, I am not cap expert but you aren't trading 18 million for 9 million, you are trading 18 million for 9 million this year plus QRoss plus whatever else comes back plus the additional trash you have signed (watson,Elson,etc) or are going to sign plus 9 million next year subtract whatever LT savings are projected. Not sure, but at least that is closer to the truth than what nonsense 1320 is pushing.

The upside is the Boris/Sloan mixture has wonderful upside potential.
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For what it's worth, this is the likely salary cap angle the Jazz are playing NEXT year. The Jazz are already committed to 50 million in salary next year without AK. Add CJ and it's 54. So they'd only have approximately 5 million to play with. But by present CBA rules, their Cap Space would need to be under their exceptions (MLE, BE) in order to use it. They wouldn't have enough. So they'd only get the MLE to sign an FA. And that puts them in the same pool with every team competing with MLE's. With Diaw on the books, they still have their MLE, and they get Diaw + the MLE while still being under the LT.

ALTERNATIVELY, the Jazz could have looked to sign AK to an extension and kept their MLE, too. That would have been the angle I would have played, but admittedly it's riskier. If you lose AK to FA, then you only have the MLE to replace him.

Kicky said it best, anyway. This clearly isn't a basketball decision because AK is a vastly superior player. But you could argue its a good/better/lesser of all evils business decision. But if I was GM, I'd be talking to AK about a reasonable extension.
 
NUMBERICA said:
THERE'S ANOTHER YEAR OF DIAW'S SALARY, in addition to the fact that it likely makes the Jazz LESS flexible in the following year, not more.
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I just posted this in my response to Pearl but I'll reiterate I think this is actually a fallacy. In the simplest terms, teams have to be way under the salary cap in order to use Cap Space. Unless I'm mistaken, the current CBA stipulates that you have be under by all your exceptions. The MLE and BE (if it applies) equate to roughly 8 million dollars. As long as you're under enough, you can use that Cap Space freely to sign FA's. If you aren't, you're restricted to MLE's and BE's.

In Jazz Terms: They're at 50 next year. With CJ 54. They'd only have 5 million tops to play with, but by the CBA they'd be restricted to the MLE and BE. This is what Milwuakee did when they overpaid Salmons and traded for Maggette. They took players that "limited" their flexibility, but they weren't players they could sign on the open market. On the open market, they would have lost both and got one MLE as replacement.

There is a business reason for doing this. But there is an alternative. And that alternative is to get serious about extending AK. They know Diaw isn't AK, but maybe they like the fact that Diaw fills a gap for 2 years whereas AK might need a 4 year deal to resign. Finally, I'm against this. Resign AK, get the MLE and that's the best option.
 
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