Favors the odd man out

[GVC]

Most of us see his offensive struggles, but we also see him getting to the line alot and scoring almost as many points per 36 as jeffy.

Favors gets lots of garbage bucket opportunities, plays off the bench with a unit that runs the floor a ton, and still is inefficient. He has no touch and sloppy footwork.

And 15 isn't all that close to 19.

 

[fishonjazz]

Favors gets lots of garbage bucket opportunities, plays off the bench with a unit that runs the floor a ton, and still is inefficient. He has no touch and sloppy footwork.

And 15 isn't all that close to 19.

like i said, most of us see his offensive struggles but what do you say about franklins claim that favors shoots 30 percent from midrange, 24 percent in the paint, and 48% from the field overall?
Dont you agree that he is trolling a bit and kind of just bashing favors with statements like that?

Favors is not great on offense, bad even..... so is chandler, but i think he is kinda valuable in the nba, especially if kanter, burks, hayward and the other players on the team are able to score.
Frank seems to suggest just getting rid of him cause he struggles offensively in a crappy offense that is not suited to him as a 21 year old who has never been given alot of opportunity to shine.

 

[NAOS]

Favors needs to start; be made captain of the defense; and told that, beyond his serious defensive responsibilities, he will figure into the offense as much as his fitness and skills will allow.

If he struggles after a year in this promoted role, then I'll throw myself overboard.

 

[fishonjazz]

Favors needs to start; be made captain of the defense; and told that, beyond his serious defensive responsibilities, he will figure into the offense as much as his fitness and skills will allow.

If he struggles after a year in this promoted role, then I'll throw myself overboard.

This.
Its too early to judge him.

Frank says that if he has not figured it out in 3 years then he is who he is.... I say his first year he barely played and was traded into a crappy situation (log jam at his position, new crappy coach). Then in year 2 there was a lockout and he still had a logjam. Now year 3 is here and i have seen some sweet moves by him on offense, an increase in free throw percentage, better passing, and an improved midrange jumper.
I guess it all depends on whether you are a glass half full or glass half empty kinda person.

 

[fishonjazz]

Favors gets lots of garbage bucket opportunities, plays off the bench with a unit that runs the floor a ton, and still is inefficient. He has no touch and sloppy footwork.

And 15 isn't all that close to 19.

I have seen him have moments with really nice touch and great footwork.
I have also seen him have issues in those areas as well.
Last game he had a baseline move where he pump faked, then spun into a fadeaway baseline j that was sweet as hell

 

[fishonjazz]

I have seen him have moments with really nice touch and great footwork.
I have also seen him have issues in those areas as well.
Last game he had a baseline move where he pump faked, then spun into a fadeaway baseline j that was sweet as hell

The move i described above and a few others that i have seen from favors could not even be done at all by the likes of tyson chandler and deandre jordan.
Those guys dont even have the ability to do the moves that i have already seen from favors on thier best days.
Favors needs to improve on those moves and execute them more often, but at least i have seen him be able to pull of some sweet moves.
Tyson chandler has no moves whatsoever, no midrange jumper either.

As for the comparison to ibaka, hell i will take ibaka any day of the week..... his jumper has really gotten pretty damn consistent over the years through playing time and being given the opportunity to shoot it with confidence coming from his coach and teammates.

 

[NAOS]

Much better passing

 

[underKANTER]

Offense is so overrated.

I'd rather have defensive beasts that can score it a little bit, too like Asik, Chandler, Favors over horrible defenders like Boozer or Al.

A big man combo of Favors and Kanter is every GM's dream but still, many fans expect Favors to become a HOF and one of a kind player.

He is already a pretty good player. Stop having unrealistic expectations. He might become an All-Star.

Favors and Kanter will both average a double double next year if they get the minutes they deserve. I don't know what else you guys can ask for. Favors will be a defensive stalwart and Kanter a dominant offensive big. Both have the size, can rebound and play on both ends. Kanter might be a 17 - 12 player one day and Favors a 14 - 11 - 3 player. Hello?! That's great!

It's not like the Olajuwon's or Shaq's grow on trees. We are talking about two future All-Stars in Favors and Kanter. I don't see a reason to complain. We are in a great situation as fans.

I'm absolutely okey at where Favors is right now. Sure, you always want players to show bigger improvements but it's not like Favors has reached his prime. Kid is still very young. Don't underrate him. His athleticizm and defense is something that is so rare to find and he is not an offensive liability, neither!

 

[b_line]

Favors gets lots of garbage bucket opportunities, plays off the bench with a unit that runs the floor a ton, and still is inefficient. He has no touch and sloppy footwork.

And 15 isn't all that close to 19.

15 is not that close to 19. But one thing you forget to mention is that favors is shooting like 9 fg per 36 and Jefferson is shooting like 17. Explain that difference. Almost double the shots to get 30% more points. Not all that great of an argument. Give the exta shots to kanter, and let favors average 15 points in 36 minutes. I would not complain one bit about that.

 

[GVC]

Explain that difference.

1. As per a previous thread (which you exited sheepishly), more of Favors' possessions end in fouls and turnovers.

2. Favors can't create his own shot, Al can. It's extremely difficult to manufacture the garbage bucket opportunities Favors relies on for points.

Is it safe to assume you never looked at the stats on mysnynergysports.com?

 

[Goodluckchuck]

This thread is funny. We have a guy that scores plenty yet plays no defense, and is the core to our offensive struggles and we complain. Yet we have a guy in Favors who scores a tad fewer yet plays great defense. And we still complain? Pathetic!

 

[GVC]

This thread is funny. We have a guy that scores plenty yet plays no defense, and is the core to our offensive struggles and we complain. Yet we have a guy in Favors who scores a tad fewer yet plays great defense. And we still complain? Pathetic!

How is having a discussion about players' strengths and weaknesses complaining? What the ****?

 

[b_line]

1. As per a previous thread (which you exited sheepishly), more of Favors' possessions end in fouls and turnovers.

2. Favors can't create his own shot, Al can. It's extremely difficult to manufacture the garbage bucket opportunities Favors relies on for points.

Is it safe to assume you never looked at the stats on mysnynergysports.com?

I didn't exit the previous thread sheepishly. I learned something and was done commenting. I don't think favors is going to replace Al's offense. Kanter might. But to suggest that favors can't learn to not turn the ball over is a little bit ridiculous. He is expected to play like al, and that is not his game. All I am saying is that favors could give you a decent amount of points in a more efficient manner than big al does, if the jazz will not expect him to replace exactly the same plays al excels at. Also, if you don't have to cover for half of your team trying to box out, the second chance points will come easier.

 

[b_line]

Offense is so overrated.

I'd rather have defensive beasts that can score it a little bit, too like Asik, Chandler, Favors over horrible defenders like Boozer or Al.

A big man combo of Favors and Kanter is every GM's dream but still, many fans expect Favors to become a HOF and one of a kind player.

He is already a pretty good player. Stop having unrealistic expectations. He might become an All-Star.

Favors and Kanter will both average a double double next year if they get the minutes they deserve. I don't know what else you guys can ask for. Favors will be a defensive stalwart and Kanter a dominant offensive big. Both have the size, can rebound and play on both ends. Kanter might be a 17 - 12 player one day and Favors a 14 - 11 - 3 player. Hello?! That's great!

It's not like the Olajuwon's or Shaq's grow on trees. We are talking about two future All-Stars in Favors and Kanter. I don't see a reason to complain. We are in a great situation as fans.

I'm absolutely okey at where Favors is right now. Sure, you always want players to show bigger improvements but it's not like Favors has reached his prime. Kid is still very young. Don't underrate him. His athleticizm and defense is something that is so rare to find and he is not an offensive liability, neither!

This the end of the argument. Why do we need favors to be more than a great defensive player who is not a liability on offense. He is already better than Ben Wallace on offense, and I think most of us would have loved to have someone like that with any of our bigs over the last few years. Kanter and favors will make a great pair.

 

[GVC]

All I am saying is that favors could give you a decent amount of points in a more efficient manner than big al does

And, again, if you account for total points and possessions (including turnovers), Al is still scoring more efficiently than Favors, despite being relied on in low point expectancy situations while drawing lots of defensive attention.

 

[b_line]

1. As per a previous thread (which you exited sheepishly), more of Favors' possessions end in fouls and turnovers.

2. Favors can't create his own shot, Al can. It's extremely difficult to manufacture the garbage bucket opportunities Favors relies on for points.

Is it safe to assume you never looked at the stats on mysnynergysports.com?

Alright, per basketball reference.com favors averages 2.4 turnovers per 36. Al Jeff averages 1.7 per 36. When you say a lot more, that's not all that true.

And yes it is safe to say that I didn't look at the my synergy sports. I look at basketball reference a lot though.

So if favors has 0.7 more turnovers per game than al, who is pretty good at not turning the ball over, and favors is only 21, isn't that pretty darn good when he is still learning?

 

[GVC]

Al: 0.96 points per possession

Favors: 0.9 points per possession

That represents a significant difference, even before controlling for the difference in point expectancy from their respective scoring situations. Favors isn't in the same league as Al as a scorer.

 

[GVC]

This the end of the argument. Why do we need favors to be more than a great defensive player who is not a liability on offense. He is already better than Ben Wallace on offense, and I think most of us would have loved to have someone like that with any of our bigs over the last few years. Kanter and favors will make a great pair.

The discussion the OP introduced was about cost v. impact. Favors will get paid, just like JaVale McGee and DeAndre Jordan got paid. Will Favors' inevitable payday hamstring the Jazz? Does his impact warrant a $10mm+ per year contract?

 

[b_line]

Al: 0.96 points per possession

Favors: 0.9 points per possession

That represents a significant difference, even before controlling for the difference in point expectancy from their respective scoring situations. Favors isn't in the same league as Al as a scorer.

I never said he was. But the significance of their offensive difference is dwarfed by favors defensive game. What was Al's ppp when he was 21? Favors may always be a lesser talent on offense, but it's not as big of a gap as you are suggesting.

But al on defense? Favors is a superstar compared to al.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Favors has two competent finishes already tonight.