As I said before. I wouldn't ever trade someone who had already proven to be a star in the making for a guy we have no idea can play in the NBA.
Controversial Trade Idea: Draft Steven Adams and trade Kanter for a high 2014 pick.
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The Thriller
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You people are nuts.
I would trade favors before kanter. Have you seen the playoffs this year? Offensively skilled bigs are the most valuable force in the NBA. What would memphis be without Z bo? spurs without duncan? indy without hibbert? if okc had just had kanter they would still be playing right now. instead, all their bigs were defensively gifted but liabilities on the other end.
Offensive bigs are great... And they are at a premium. Kanter, in the next 2 years, could easily become one of the best bigs in the entire league. Seriously, ask yourselves, does Z-Bo really have much more talent than kanter? When you need a shot to stop a run? Dump it inside for him to hammer it home. Need an anchor for your offense? He's the guy. Need someone to get the other team in foul trouble? Get him the rock and let him get to work.
Favors? Still looks clueless on offense. His defense? It's ok. He can block shots sometimes when he isn't fouling. But you can find long athletic bigs who can block shots and suck offensively in every draft and summer free agency. Ibaka, chandler, Larry sanders, bird man, etc.
You don't find that with offensively skilled bigs. Dirk, Duncan, z bo, hibbert, etc.
Offensively skilled bigs win championships. Defensive bigs are necessary role players. If you find 1 that can do both, then you're looking at a HOFer.
Keep kanter. He is untouchable. I would trade favors before I would trade kanter.
The argument against this is big al and boozer. Truth he told, neither is a good physical post presence. Boozer is like bosh, great jump shooter but isn't a post player. Big al, isn't physical and is highly inefficient. Kanter? Is physical, lives in the post, and might be the most efficient player we have had since Malone/Stockton.
I would trade favors before kanter. Have you seen the playoffs this year? Offensively skilled bigs are the most valuable force in the NBA. What would memphis be without Z bo? spurs without duncan? indy without hibbert? if okc had just had kanter they would still be playing right now. instead, all their bigs were defensively gifted but liabilities on the other end.
Offensive bigs are great... And they are at a premium. Kanter, in the next 2 years, could easily become one of the best bigs in the entire league. Seriously, ask yourselves, does Z-Bo really have much more talent than kanter? When you need a shot to stop a run? Dump it inside for him to hammer it home. Need an anchor for your offense? He's the guy. Need someone to get the other team in foul trouble? Get him the rock and let him get to work.
Favors? Still looks clueless on offense. His defense? It's ok. He can block shots sometimes when he isn't fouling. But you can find long athletic bigs who can block shots and suck offensively in every draft and summer free agency. Ibaka, chandler, Larry sanders, bird man, etc.
You don't find that with offensively skilled bigs. Dirk, Duncan, z bo, hibbert, etc.
Offensively skilled bigs win championships. Defensive bigs are necessary role players. If you find 1 that can do both, then you're looking at a HOFer.
Keep kanter. He is untouchable. I would trade favors before I would trade kanter.
The argument against this is big al and boozer. Truth he told, neither is a good physical post presence. Boozer is like bosh, great jump shooter but isn't a post player. Big al, isn't physical and is highly inefficient. Kanter? Is physical, lives in the post, and might be the most efficient player we have had since Malone/Stockton.
cctrackstar
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And Malone is going to be training them.... 
Thing is that the draft is such a crap shoot these days that there is absolutely no guarantee that Adams will be anything at the next level.
Thing is that the draft is such a crap shoot these days that there is absolutely no guarantee that Adams will be anything at the next level.
MVP
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I like what I see from Adams, he seems to have fairly similar skill set like Kanter but is taller and has longer hands. Problem is Kanter appears to be more advanced at this point ( better jumper, twice as good FT shooter) so drafting Adams would be like getting Kanter again in his rookie year. He may be great in 3-4 years if he improves his FT, but can we afford to wait that long?
All in all it is an interesting idea and if we would be quaranteed top 3 pick in 2014 I would roll the dice.
All in all it is an interesting idea and if we would be quaranteed top 3 pick in 2014 I would roll the dice.
. So... no I changed my mind. Kanter is to good to be traded for Adams.
1 - You can't guarantee the worth of the pick. In other words, you can't trade for a "high 2014 pick" unless it's at the end of next season, and who knows what happens between now and then. I'm pretty sure you're talking about getting the pick now, in which case, you can't guarantee the value of the pick. Say you trade Phoenix for their unprotected pick (if that's even possible), what if they overacheive and get a .500 record? Great move.
2 - Young players with boundless potential and don't see the floor don't have a lot of league-wide value. They are valued most (by far) by their own teams and fans. I don't know why another team would do this, even if the proposal made any sense.
3 - Steven Adams wouldn't replace what Kanter does. He might replace what Favors does. If having 0 post presence in the future is something you're interested in, then this trade looks great, even if the proposal made any sense. Forget how much a good post game can blow up some teams' entire defensive scheme and that the final four of this years playoffs relied moderately to heavily on post play.
1 - You can't guarantee the worth of the pick. In other words, you can't trade for a "high 2014 pick" unless it's at the end of next season, and who knows what happens between now and then. I'm pretty sure you're talking about getting the pick now, in which case, you can't guarantee the value of the pick. Not only is this contingent on how the team plays next season (and god forbidding, Kanter erupt and make them a much better team [in addition to whatever high pick they got this year]), the lottery changes things for everyone quite a bit. The best odds you have at getting a #1 pick is 25% and that's with having the worst record in the NBA. So unless your plan is secretly to make the Jazz the worst team in the league, and again, hope that 25% becomes the pick (which would be the first time in, what, 2 decades?), sorry, I just got lost. And then there's bust potential and there are very few sure things in the NBA. You never trade one in hand for two in the bush. This might be trading two in hand for one in the bush. This is betting your car, hitting on 16 and trying to get blackjack (with the dealer showing 6) or putting your bet on green: maybe you win and that would be awesome, but that doesn't suddenly make the bet not-****ing retarded.
2 - Young players with boundless potential and don't see the floor don't have a lot of league-wide value. They are valued most (by far) by their own teams and fans. I don't know why another team would do this, even if the proposal made any sense.
3 - Steven Adams wouldn't replace what Kanter does. He might replace what Favors does. If having 0 post presence in the future is something you're interested in, then this trade looks great, even if the proposal made any sense. Forget how much a good post game can blow up some teams' entire defensive scheme and that the final four of this years playoffs relied moderately to heavily on post play.
1 - You can't guarantee the worth of the pick. In other words, you can't trade for a "high 2014 pick" unless it's at the end of next season, and who knows what happens between now and then. I'm pretty sure you're talking about getting the pick now, in which case, you can't guarantee the value of the pick. Not only is this contingent on how the team plays next season (and god forbidding, Kanter erupt and make them a much better team [in addition to whatever high pick they got this year]), the lottery changes things for everyone quite a bit. The best odds you have at getting a #1 pick is 25% and that's with having the worst record in the NBA. So unless your plan is secretly to make the Jazz the worst team in the league, and again, hope that 25% becomes the pick (which would be the first time in, what, 2 decades?), sorry, I just got lost. And then there's bust potential and there are very few sure things in the NBA. You never trade one in hand for two in the bush. This might be trading two in hand for one in the bush. This is betting your car, hitting on 16 and trying to get blackjack (with the dealer showing 6) or putting your bet on green: maybe you win and that would be awesome, but that doesn't suddenly make the bet not-****ing retarded.
Thank you.
Take a look through even the actual top-picks in a given draft and most end up being disappointing, not even taking into account that most of these players haven't even played yet.
Jazz4ever
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Despite being built like a tank also, Adams doesn't relish contact like Kanter does. He is a little bigger, a little more athletic, and will be a better defender, but Adams will probably never be a 20 and 10 guy like Kanter will be.
That said, I do like him as a possible BPA pick at 14 if McCollum and Schroeder are gone. Adams will be long gone by 21.
That said, I do like him as a possible BPA pick at 14 if McCollum and Schroeder are gone. Adams will be long gone by 21.
Great post. Now's not the time to gamble on a trade like this. However, you might get a team to bite on the deal right about now. It depends on how high the Jazz are on Kanter.
A trade like this would be a gamble for both teams involved, but I think a team might do it---for the very same reason the Jazz wouldn't do the trade. That is, the other team would be getting a high-value player who's future value is somewhat known or projectable, rather than gambling on next year's draft.
This is the simple question to ask yourself: How easy is it to replace Kanter? If it's easy to replace him, and you think Adams can do it, you make the trade because you have almost nothing to lose by doing so. If you think Kanter is a rare commodity, then you don't take the risk of trading him.
Right now, Kanter is showing remarkable polish and versatility in the post, so maybe you conclude that Kanter is too difficult to replace.
Or, you sit back and do nothing because you think you're going to get a top 10 pick next year anyway, and you think that Kanter + #10 (in 2014) is comparable to Adams + #6 or #7 (in 2014).
I would predict the Jazz FO is discussing all kinds of scenarios, including one like this. Maybe they'd move Favors instead.
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....Okay, here's what I'd do. I'd draft Adams at #14, because I think he's BPA. If he then makes Kanter expendable, I'd look to move somebody at the deadline. I say this because I think Adams has a legit chance to be better than Kanter.
However, I would also try to get another pick in this draft to get Schroeder or McCollum.
However, I would also try to get another pick in this draft to get Schroeder or McCollum.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
You don't trade Kanter or Favors now. Their value is relatively low because they haven't played much. The ONLY reason to make a trade is if you have a Deron situation - i.e. it's likely that a player won't re-sign with the team. If Adams is BPA and Lindsey/KOC aren't sold on the PG's available, then by all means take him. Teams need 3 BIGS (96/3 = 32 mins each for 3 players). Jazz can easily find a fill-in PG for 1 season. I have a hard time believing anyone would suggest trading Kanter or Favors. It's hard to find decent bigs in this league, especially a solid 5. Kanter showed a TON of promise during the season. All he needs is playing time.
orangello
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Just get picks 13 & 15. Then with 13 draft Bazz, with 14 draft Schroeder and with 15 draft Adams. Just do that and everyone will be happy.
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