Was Fes' Play Last Night An Aberration?

[Scat]

By these numbers, Fesenko had 263 lbs of non-fat body mass (muscle, bone, organs, etc.) in Sept. 2009 but only 253 lbs in Sept. 2010. You basically have him losing 10 pounds of muscle. Something is not adding up.

First and foremost, it's almost impossible to lose fat without losing some muscle as well. Without the assistance of steroids it is impossible.

Looking at these numbers Fes lost 25 lb's total, 10 of which were muscle. That still leaves 15 lbs of fat that he lost as well. That's not a shabby trade off as he now can jump higher & move faster because he has a better muscle to fat ratio. He quite literally has less weight to move around and more muscle ratio wise than before.

Look at it this way. If you take a car that has 500 hp and replace all the metal body cladding with fiberglass reducing the overall weight by 25% and then replace the engine with a 450 hp engine it is going to be faster than the original car even with the smaller engine. There is simply less weight to move. The power to weight ratio has been improved.

Ever wonder why offensive linemen in the NFL are some of the fattest players yet are also some of the strongest players on the field? If you're active it literally takes more muscle to help move that fat around. That's why lard *** linemen can be so strong. Yeah, they are fat asses but they are active fat asses that work out and get exercise. Their bodies quite simply need more muscle to move all that fat around. Now if these same linemen sat around, quit being active and quit working out they would likely lose weight yet their total body fat by weight would stay the same. The weight loss would be due to a loss of muscle mass due to inactivity. Even though they lost weight their body fat % would skyrocket.

 

[Hopper]

First and foremost, it's almost impossible to lose fat without losing some muscle as well. Without the assistance of steroids it is impossible.

Maybe, Marcus, but how much muscle?

"Muscle loss during weight loss can be restricted by regularly lifting weights (or doing push-ups and other strength-oriented calisthenics) and by maintaining sufficient protein intake.... If the diet plan includes a daily caloric intake greater than the BMR, the person will most likely lose fat. On the contrary, if the person follows a diet that includes a lower caloric intake than the BMR, this person will lose fat but also a higher percentage of muscle....Maintaining muscle mass while losing fat is therefore a key factor to reach both the ideal weight and body composition. To achieve this goal, experts advise not to reduce carbohydrates aggressively...This reduced calorie intake, even in the presence of 100% carbohydrate consumption, allows for reduction of fat without muscle loss because the glycogen in the muscle is properly replenished.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieting

 

[Scat]

Maybe, Marcus, but how much muscle?

"Muscle loss during weight loss can be restricted by regularly lifting weights (or doing push-ups and other strength-oriented calisthenics) and by maintaining sufficient protein intake.... If the diet plan includes a daily caloric intake greater than the BMR, the person will most likely lose fat. On the contrary, if the person follows a diet that includes a lower caloric intake than the BMR, this person will lose fat but also a higher percentage of muscle....Maintaining muscle mass while losing fat is therefore a key factor to reach both the ideal weight and body composition. To achieve this goal, experts advise not to reduce carbohydrates aggressively...This reduced calorie intake, even in the presence of 100% carbohydrate consumption, allows for reduction of fat without muscle loss because the glycogen in the muscle is properly replenished.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieting

Define ideal?

The dude has just over 10% body fat. Whatever he's doing is working well. Very well. I bet that less than half a dozen people on this site have 10% body fat.

By following some strict nutritional guidelines and working out strenuously with weights Fes might be able to recoup those 10 lbs. of muscle but that's getting into sub 10% fat territory which is very difficult to maintain when you are running up and down a basketball court burning calories by the hundreds. Unless your a genetic freak like Malone or Stockton, Fes maintaining a weight of 283 at 10% fat would make me thrilled. At this point I like what I'm seeing out of Fes.

 

[Hopper]

. Whatever he's doing is working well. Very well.

Well, Marcus, how well Fess is doin wasn't really the question, but I agree that he's doin well.

Here's sumthin else I spect we completely agree on, eh?: Sloan, he ROCKS!

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Glad to see IGS is still beating a dead horse.

 

[InGameStrategy]

Glad to see IGS is still beating a dead horse.

I agree that this conversation has been dragged out a long time. Your case of singling out a single poster would carry much more water if it weren't true that most--if not all--of my posts are the response to other people's posts. But you're a hater, so you simply mention me.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I agree that this conversation has been dragged out a long time. Your case of singling out a single poster would carry much more water if it weren't true that most--if not all--of my posts are the response to other people's posts. But you're a hater, so you simply mention me.

Right. That must be it. I'm going to ask you a question and I want you to be honest with me.

Are you write4u?

 

[InGameStrategy]

Right. That must be it. I'm going to ask you a question and I want you to be honest with me.

Are you write4u?

No. I even took a number out of my screen name.

 

[InGameStrategy]

A little resume from last season, just to remind yawl, eh?:

[March 20, 2010]

Road stumble costly for the Jazz: Thunder, Suns now just one game back for fourth spot in the West.

"Sloan opened the second half with Kyrylo Fesenko in for Okur, then gave Fesenko an earful when he came out after picking up three fouls. Moments later, Sloan got up and confronted Fesenko at the end of the bench, saying afterward that Fesenko had thrown a towel."

That really aint the best part of the tale, though, The main take-home message is that Sloan, he ROCKS, eh!?

"Arguing with referee Michael Smith along the sideline, Sloan shoved Smith in the chest with his forearm and was ejected for the first time this season. Sloan previously was suspended seven games for shoving referee Courtney Kirkland in a January 2003 game... Before he shoved Smith, Sloan had to be blocked by arena security guards from approaching the referee crew of Smith, Dick Bavetta and Phil Robinson as they conducted their video review at the scorer's table. It is NBA policy for arena security to position themselves between the benches and the referees during reviews. Sloan made contact and backed up one guard before two others arrived to help restrain him. Once the review was over, Sloan took things up with Smith...

"I'm not going to lie to them," Sloan said. "Whatever penalties they have, I'm not going to run and hide from it or beg for somebody to . . . .I've been there before. It's not my first rodeo."

https://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2010/03/20/4682971.htm

thanks for sharing, hopper. Given that you were posting it in a Fesenko thread, perhaps your intention was to point out Fes's three fouls, benching, and alleged towel-throwing. Given that Sloan PUSHED A REF in the same game, I will add this to the mounting evidence of Sloan's inequitable treatment of players--and others. In a game in which Sloan was so raving mad that he was thrown out, I'm going to place little weight on whatever justification he had on chewing out Fesenko. Also, sometimes committing a foul or two on the court (when the matador frontcourt wasn't) is just what the doctor ordered.

Fortunately Fes continues to improve (more like 3 steps forward, 1 or 2 steps back) consistent with his trajectory last year in the playoffs, so with time, this topic becomes increasingly moot. It doesn't excuse Sloan from putting no effort whatsoever in finding minutes for Fes, even when he had stated that he was intending to and even when Fes had showed progress on the court and even when the existing big-man rotation was sucking, but it looks like he might have found a place in the rotation, perhaps even ahead of Elson. BTW, some players might be more entertaining than others, but I don't care who plays as long as they are the optimal combination at any given time, taking into account both the short term (winning, current team performance) and the long term (development, injuries, playoffs). What is great about this year is that any suboptimal substitution pattern or lineup that Sloan puts out there will be at least compensated for by the motivation and performance that is sufficiently high at all positions, two or three players deep.

 

[Hopper]

I will add this to the mounting evidence of Sloan's inequitable treatment of players--and others. In a game in which Sloan was so raving mad that he was thrown out, I'm going to place little weight on whatever justification he had on chewing out Fesenko. Also, sometimes committing a foul or two on the court (when the matador frontcourt wasn't) is just what the doctor ordered.

Of course you will add it to the "evidence" which you think supports your half-baked conclusions. What else is new, eh, S2? Everything that happens proves your assumptions. How could it not? Your premises are indisputably true, and nuthin can be inconsistent with the true facts--it just aint possible.

The real truth is that Fess shoulda been held responsible for, and paid, the big-*** fine Jer got because Fess's antics primed him to the verge of goin ballistic. Commendably, he didn't knock the crap outta Fess, like he really wanted, but took it out on the refs instead. Do the Fess fanboyz appreciate Jer's sacrifice? Hell no, the ingrates, them.

 

[InGameStrategy]

Of course you will add it to the "evidence" which you think supports your half-baked conclusions. What else is new, eh, S2? Everything that happens proves your assumptions. How could it not? Your premises are indisputably true, and nuthin can be inconsistent with the true facts--it just aint possible.

The real truth is that Fess shoulda been held responsible for, and paid, the big-*** fine Jer got because Fess's antics primed him to the verge of goin ballistic. Commendably, he didn't knock the crap outta Fess, like he really wanted, but took it out on the refs instead. Do the Fess fanboyz appreciate Jer's sacrifice? Hell no, the ingrates, them.

Now THAT'S hilarious. I guess that the referee should have been fined also for provoking Sloan to pushing him.

Classic Hopper logic.

BTW, what sacrifice are you talking about? I can think of about 6 million reasons (per year)--plus 82 front-row seats per year and posh hotels on the road--why Sloan's "sacrifice" isn't a sacrifice at all.

 

[Hopper]

Now THAT'S hilarious. I guess that the referee should have been fined also for provoking Sloan to pushing him.

Classic Hopper logic.

I knew you would appreciate the logic, S2, cause it aint mine, it yours. Whatever happens to my boy aint HIS fault, it's sumbuddy else's.