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Was Fes' Play Last Night An Aberration?

Right. That must be it. I'm going to ask you a question and I want you to be honest with me.

Are you write4u?

No, he's me (and Hopper), probably, according to write4u. But he's not YB85.

DW averaged almost 30 minutes per game in his first season, and he started 47 of them, and he had almost 4 times as many minutes as Fesenko had in his first three years, so lack of playing time (or lack of starting during the first half of the season) was not a significant factor in hindering Deron's development; he ended up averaging near-starter minutes even when he played part of the season as a backup.

Deron improve as a PG even while spending most of his minutes as a SG, but Fesenko can't improve as a center unless he plays center on the floor. No wonder Sloan doesn't treat him equally.

Again, I'm not denying that he's in better shape this year. I am denying that Fesenko was given enough minutes last year ...

Had he been in better shape, he would have gotten more minutes.

... I will add this to the mounting evidence of Sloan's inequitable treatment of players--and others.

I should hpe Sloan treat players unequally, as they have unequal levels of talent and discipline.

It doesn't excuse Sloan from putting no effort whatsoever in finding minutes for Fes, ...

It was Fesenko's job to be in shape enough to warrant minutes.
 
Dude you are funny.

Of course you will add it to the "evidence" which you think supports your half-baked conclusions. What else is new, eh, S2? Everything that happens proves your assumptions. How could it not? Your premises are indisputably true, and nuthin can be inconsistent with the true facts--it just aint possible.

The real truth is that Fess shoulda been held responsible for, and paid, the big-*** fine Jer got because Fess's antics primed him to the verge of goin ballistic. Commendably, he didn't knock the crap outta Fess, like he really wanted, but took it out on the refs instead. Do the Fess fanboyz appreciate Jer's sacrifice? Hell no, the ingrates, them.

Seriously? WTF? Seriously? you are going to blame Sloan's outburst on the refs because Fes threw a towel? Dude that's funny. You are joking right.
 
Seriously? WTF? Seriously? you are going to blame Sloan's outburst on the refs because Fes threw a towel? Dude that's funny. You are joking right.


Of course I'm jokin, Go4. Now you go on ahead and fess up too, kay? You're jokin about your claims that the Sloan is the one who caused, and is responsible for, Fess not playin more last year, right?
 
I think mebbe good ole Eddie Cochran summed up the appropiate sentiments best, ya know?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhOKwA6uvBc

In case ya caint tell from the strong resemblence, Eddie Cochran was Sloan's stage name when he usta rock and roll with his hair dyed, years back. He LOVES Fess. Always has, always will.
 
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No, he's me (and Hopper), probably, according to write4u. But he's not YB85.



Deron improve as a PG even while spending most of his minutes as a SG, but Fesenko can't improve as a center unless he plays center on the floor. No wonder Sloan doesn't treat him equally.
There is still a huge difference between the rate of development at a different position than there is at the rate of development of sitting on the bench. You can still develop shooting, defense, rebounding, even assists. By this point, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would make such an argument, but the amazement continues.

Had he been in better shape, he would have gotten more minutes.
"Shape" (conditioning) was not a limiting factor at the number of minutes that Fesenko was playing, and Fesenko showed in the playoffs that he was capable of playing more minutes conditioningwise, and that wasn't the first time that he had done that during last season. He proved it in a back-to-back in February--and I use this example because I have a citation, something that you rarely provide--which, in this case was a 9-point, 6-RB performance that came on the heels of 15 minutes in a game night before, in which he went 8 and 6.
https://www.nba.com/games/20100221/UTAPOR/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore
https://www.nba.com/games/20100222/ATLUTA/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

The article also cites a fellow player saying that Fesenko "has been working hard all year" which really flies in the face of the lack-of-work-ethic ("jackpotting") claims that you have been spewing.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...t-spot-in-Utah-Jazz-loss-to-Atlanta.html?pg=2
It also is consistent with Sloan's statements during last season of his intention to get Fesenko more minutes

Any coach who focused on making his team better overall optimally is going to find a way to get players who are making strides on the court (and play a crucial position) is going to keep finding minutes. There was PT to be redistributed without risking the outcome of the game.

I should hpe Sloan treat players unequally, as they have unequal levels of talent and discipline.
Don't be silly with semantics. "Equally" doesn't mean giving them all of them the same minutes; it means giving them minutes according to their on-court performance.

It was Fesenko's job to be in shape enough to warrant minutes.
Addressed above. Also, it is Sloan's job to make sure that the team has enough on-court experience (based on the constraints of court time) to be able to play when injuries or other situations call for it. Sloan failed to do so, even though it had been clear for years that the center spot was weak (confirmed repeatedly by KOC), and when Okur went down, Fesenko was able to make a similar contribution that Okur did (when taking into account Okur's typical offensive production minus his damaging defensive production) but did not have the experience to do significantly better, as evidenced that his deficiencies on the court were directly related to on-court experience (fouling too much, too many turnovers, not being able to implement scoring moves (against the eventual world champions, btw), etc.). We've been through this. Fes bears some of the responsibility for not getting minutes due to not being more focused and better conditioned (even though this didn't stop other players (Okur) from playing significant minutes in the past, but Sloan bears some of the responsibility also, especially given that he had stated publicly that he wanted to find Fes more floor time.
 
A few years ago in the playoffs, when Fisher was in New York and Deron was injured, Dee Brown, who hardly played at all during the regular season, came in and played with a great deal of poise and energy.

Same with Price, who was third string behind Deron and Knight a couple years back. He was virtually the best player on the floor in one of the last games against the Lakers that year.

Neither of them complained that they couldn't play well because Sloan hadn't played them more during the year. Both said that they just worked all year to "be ready" as Sloan asked them to be.

Nor do I recall them claiming that they would have been better than Jordan, if only they had played more earlier.

Zup wit dat, ya figure?

With regard to Price, I recall Sloan sayin that Price proved he should have been played more earlier in the year. But Sloan wasn't sayin that because Price sucked and he wanted him to be better and/or to learn how to try harder. He said it because Price *was* good, and gave it all he had. Big difference.
 
Holy **** is this thread really still going on? . Everything being talked about in this tread is in the past. Let see how things happen this year. Because this year is all that matters right now.
 
Holy **** is this thread really still going on? . Everything being talked about in this tread is in the past. Let see how things happen this year. Because this year is all that matters right now.

Ben, this thread has been goin on as many years as S2 has been on the board. The names may change, but the lame arguments are always the same. As I have said before: It says S2 has a post count of 571, but he really aint never made but one post--571 times.
 
Once Fess starts gittin regular minutes, I wonder who Sloan will completely ruin this year to the point where he needs S2 as a fanboy advocate 24/7? Elston, mebbe?
 
Ben, this thread has been goin on as many years as S2 has been on the board. The names may change, but the lame arguments are always the same. As I have said before: It says S2 has a post count of 571, but he really aint never made but one post--571 times.

Understood Hopper, But How may different ways do we have to try to reply to all those and still get the same thing back? Sometimes enough is enough. I got into this a few times. And each time after hearing the same thing over and over I just said. Ok thats his opinion. So be it. Let see who is right in the end.
 
I'm betting on Evans. Should we put up a poll? :b

Yeah, you could be right Ben, but my thinkin was like this here. If Memo comes back strong, Fess plays a lot, and Jefferson is also given minutes at the 5, and if, as a consequence, the Jazz win a crapload fulla games, that can only prove one thang, to wit: That Sloan is a jackass and should have cut back all their minutes to play Elston.
 
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