Will there be American invasion in Syria?

[♪alt13]

How does a war in Syria do anything to prevent Russia and China from creating a new currency?

And our economy failing is the last thing that China wants. Duh. Our economy failing basically means that everyone's economy fails, especially China's. I swear, I hear every single week how China wants to kick our ***. I think this is a leftover from the mentality from the previous century. Cuz commies are all out to get us! Thee last thing China wants is for our economy to go into the toilet. They keep loaning us money because with that money we are fueling their economy. It's called macroeconomics people. Study it.

That whole Marxism taking over the planet and Khrushchev, "We Will Bury You" was so 50 years ago. What do any of these countries gain by hurting us and sinking their own economies? The Cold War is over. The sooner we learn this, the better. That whole invading for living space thing? So 1930s. Every country on earth (but us) has realized that occupation and nation building sucks. The sooner we stop doing this and focus on our own welfare, economy, and education, the better.

I think we are digging too deep into coming up with these motives for a US led war. In reality, the motives are probably a lot more simple. It's probably something stupid like Israel is afraid that this civil war could spread into its borders. Or into Iraq, our newest creation. By blowing some **** up in Syria hopefully Assad calms down (cuz thee last thing we want is for him to be killed or step down).

It's something simple like that. Not some mass conspiracy involving the reds, stalin's ghost, and the world wide conspiracy of China and Russia teaming up to destroy the Great Satan, the USA. Because... Well... Because commies are out to get us.

China and Russia want to be able to sell oil and natural gas to Europe in their currency virtually without competition from the Dollar. Syria blocked a Saudi (dollar)oil pipeline from getting to Europe while at the same time giving the go ahead for an Iranian(non-dollar) oil pipeline to get to Europe.

If Europe has to buy Natural Gas in Rubles and Oil in Yuan they will have to dump US dollars on the market in order to pick up Yuan and Rubles.

This is why we invaded Iraq they tried to sell oil in Euros. So we sent the OPEC nations a message you sell oil in Dollars or we will destroy you.

There is no bigger game in the world than this. Currency/Energy

 

[Harambe]

China and Russia want to be able to sell oil and natural gas to Europe in their currency virtually without competition from the Dollar. Syria blocked a Saudi (dollar)oil pipeline from getting to Europe while at the same time giving the go ahead for an Iranian(non-dollar) oil pipeline to get to Europe.

If Europe has to buy Natural Gas in Rubles and Oil in Yuan they will have to dump US dollars on the market in order to pick up Yuan and Rubles.

This is why we invaded Iraq they tried to sell oil in Euros. So we sent the OPEC nations a message you sell oil in Dollars or we will destroy you.

There is no bigger game in the world than this. Currency/Energy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KraNwTSC9Vs

4.4% of the people in America suffer from this disorder. It's not all that surprising we have more than average here I guess.

 

[franklin]

Seriously...if the dollar is no longer the standard our economy fails like never before. It will be chaos. This is why Obama wants war, to protect the economy. Losing International reserve currency status is end game folks. I'm not for war, but this is a mess.

How exactly is other countries spending our currency back into our economy, creating jobs, turning trade deficits into surpluses, and filling the Treasury with revenue a bad thing?

Also, what country is going to replace the USD as the new reserve currency? Putin's ranting in 2008 was as laughable as it gets, trying to get China and Brazil to swap a meager $25 billion in currency because that's all the Russians could afford. As if that would mean a damn thing in a world of floating currencies anyway.

Losing reserve status wouldn't be any more than a tiny blip in inflation to go along with huge pay raises due to the new demand for our products. I'm very scared.

 

[Stoked]

https://thehill.com/blogs/global-af...ia-plan-wont-work-unless-us-renounces-strikes

Russia will only work out a deal with Syria on their chemical weapons as long as the "west" renounces military strikes on Syria. Also Russia will not support a French resolution at the Security Council on Syria turning over its chemical weapons to the international community.

Looks like Russia is only concerned with covering for Syria and doesnt really care about the chemical weapons. They want their cake and eat it too.

 

[candrew]

Looks like Russia is only concerned with covering for Syria and doesnt really care about the chemical weapons. They want their cake and eat it too.

Shrewd move - and if we were in their position we would do the same exact thing. If Russia confiscates their chem weapons and The US/UN goes ahead and bombs Syria anyway Putin would look like a total clown. LOL - what does he do then? Give them back their chemical weapons?

 

[Gameface]

Shrewd move - and if we were in their position we would do the same exact thing. If Russia confiscates their chem weapons and The US/UN goes ahead and bombs Syria anyway Putin would look like a total clown. LOL - what does he do then? Give them back their chemical weapons?

He would look like a clown? Wouldn't we look like war mongering hypocrites? I mean, if they give up the chemical weapons what is our justification for an attack?

 

[candrew]

He would look like a clown? Wouldn't we look like war mongering hypocrites?

LOL - did you miss the last decade.

We are war mongering hypocrites. At least we appear that way to at least 80% of the world right now

I mean, if they give up the chemical weapons what is our justification for an attack?

Said Saddamm Hussein in 2002

 

[Gameface]

LOL - did you miss the last decade.

We are war mongering hypocrites. At least we appear that way to at least 80% of the world right now



Said Saddamm Hussein in 2002

Why would the make Putin look like a clown? He would look like he tried to be reasonable and the U.S. just went ahead with attacks that weren't going to be stopped regardless of facts.

Saddam had been bluffing that he STILL had chemical weapons after he impeded the UN weapons inspections that were supposed to clear him. But history has been rewritten on that, so what do I know?

 

[mellow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KraNwTSC9Vs

4.4% of the people in America suffer from this disorder. It's not all that surprising we have more than average here I guess.

Oil backed dollars and the agreements the US has with OPEC countries is fairly well known and reported on, hardly a paranoid conspiracy as you suggested.

Might I friendly suggest that you take a few minutes to learn about it before you start throwing mud at heyhey. Wikkipedia Petrocurrency.

Libya was promoting terror for years, but the US paid it little attention until Gaddaffi tried to establish a Gold backed currency for trading oil in northern africa and set up oil leases with China.

 

[franklin]

Oil backed dollars and the agreements the US has with OPEC countries is fairly well known and reported on, hardly a paranoid conspiracy as you suggested.

If you're going to claim something is not a paranoid conspiracy, you probably shouldn't follow that up with...

Might I friendly suggest that you take a few minutes to learn about it before you start throwing mud at heyhey. Wikkipedia Petrocurrency.

Libya was promoting terror for years, but the US paid it little attention until Gaddaffi tried to establish a Gold backed currency for trading oil in northern africa and set up oil leases with China.

...a paranoid conspiracy theory.

At any rate, I LOVE conspiracy and read it as pseudo-history entertainment akin to Dan Brown novels. If you have any links they will be appreciated.

 

[franklin]

BTW, Mellow, how does your crowd explain away the fact that Iraqi oil fields went to the lowest possible bidder --some China-- at around 80 cents USDollars instead of high profits to US multinationals?

The war was all about oil for the Rockeefeelers n Halliburton and dem petrodollars yes?

 

[franklin]

BTW, Mellow, how does your crowd explain away the fact that Iraqi oil fields went to the lowest possible bidder --some China-- at around 80 cents USDollars instead of high profits to US multinationals?

The war was all about oil for the Rockeefeelers n Halliburton and dem petrodollars yes?

US is war mongers. They'd never do something altruistically like this.

 

[Harambe]

Just because you think they're out to get you, doesn't mean they aren't.

As i stated earlier, theoretically this could be right. Theoretically, this could just be another play for oil, like the war in iraq with bush sr., and the war in iraq/afghanistan from junior.

But of those three wars, there is clearly more evidence that there should be intervention now than ever before.

More over, even if the men with the money came out and blatantly said that this is what it is, the fact that chemical weapons are being used alone is a good enough reason to intervene.

So whether or not you'd like to wear the tin foil hat, i might be able to care less... but I'm not sure how.

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[♪alt13]

BTW, Mellow, how does your crowd explain away the fact that Iraqi oil fields went to the lowest possible bidder --some China-- at around 80 cents USDollars instead of high profits to US multinationals?

The war was all about oil for the Rockeefeelers n Halliburton and dem petrodollars yes?

You obviously do not understand the simple fact that what gives modern currency value is the use of said currency. The US doesn't have to own Iraqi oil in order to run a perpetual deficit without destroying her currency. The US just has to make sure that whoever sells the oil demands US dollars as payment. Since the 1970's anybody who wanted to buy oil had to have dollars.

So if an Italian buys oil that is imported from Saudi Arabia they first must convert their Euros into dollars. This means that Italy must have a large reserve of US dollars in order to import oil. If Italy were in the future forced to buy oil in say yuan her central bank would have to sell dollars and buy yuan. The effect is the yuans purchasing power increases while the dollars purchasing power decreases. i.e. China becomes more powerful while the US becomes less so.

 

[Gameface]

You obviously do not understand the simple fact that what gives modern currency value is the use of said currency. The US doesn't have to own Iraqi oil in order to run a perpetual deficit without destroying her currency. The US just has to make sure that whoever sells the oil demands US dollars as payment. Since the 1970's anybody who wanted to buy oil had to have dollars.

So if an Italian buys oil that is imported from Saudi Arabia they first must convert their Euros into dollars. This means that Italy must have a large reserve of US dollars in order to import oil. If Italy were in the future forced to buy oil in say yuan her central bank would have to sell dollars and buy yuan. The effect is the yuans purchasing power increases while the dollars purchasing power decreases. i.e. China becomes more powerful while the US becomes less so.

But since China owns massive amounts of US debt the value of that debt also drops. If it costs 1 million dollars for a gallon of milk, for instance, the U.S. could simply sell it's gold reserves for yuan and based on the conversion rate to dollars we'd pay off everything we owe and still have money left over for a pizza party.

China has been accused of keeping the value of their currency artificially low.

I don't get it.

 

[♪alt13]

Just because you think they're out to get you, doesn't mean they aren't.

As i stated earlier, theoretically this could be right. Theoretically, this could just be another play for oil, like the war in iraq with bush sr., and the war in iraq/afghanistan from junior.

But of those three wars, there is clearly more evidence that there should be intervention now than ever before.

More over, even if the men with the money came out and blatantly said that this is what it is, the fact that chemical weapons are being used alone is a good enough reason to intervene.

So whether or not you'd like to wear the tin foil hat, i might be able to care less... but I'm not sure how.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using JazzFanz mobile app

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HvuUSRhpXE
https://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/05/odonnell-reagan-let-saddam-buy-and-use-chemical-weapons/
https://on.aol.com/video/report--u-s--helped-saddam-as-he-used-chemical-weapons-517911850
https://theweek.com/article/index/248745/how-the-us-helped-saddam-hussein-use-chemical-weapons-against-iran"]https://theweek.com/article/index/248745/how-the-us-helped-saddam-hussein-use-chemical-weapons-against-iran[/URL]
https://rt.com/news/us-chemical-weapons-portnaya-152/
Me and my tin foil hat...

and the facts.

 

[franklin]

You obviously do not understand the simple fact that what gives modern currency value is the use of said currency. The US doesn't have to own Iraqi oil in order to run a perpetual deficit without destroying her currency. The US just has to make sure that whoever sells the oil demands US dollars as payment. Since the 1970's anybody who wanted to buy oil had to have dollars.

So if an Italian buys oil that is imported from Saudi Arabia they first must convert their Euros into dollars. This means that Italy must have a large reserve of US dollars in order to import oil. If Italy were in the future forced to buy oil in say yuan her central bank would have to sell dollars and buy yuan. The effect is the yuans purchasing power increases while the dollars purchasing power decreases. i.e. China becomes more powerful while the US becomes less so.

Power comes from productive capacity, not some symbolic medium of exchange. The world reserve currency status is nothing but a drag on our internal production, and losing that could do nothing but strengthen us, even if it means losing this pretend power over oil imports. Besides, buying in USD is a convenience for these other nations; it's not a requirement. Show me that the Chinese or Norwegians MUST purchase Iraqi dollars in USD and I might give this little theory some consideration. People buy and sell in USD because we are the consumption powerhouse of the world which makes it much easier to get the goods they want with their new found wealth. In other words, we provide liquidity. Iraq could never spend all the Yuan they could get from China by exclusively selling their 8 or whatever mmbd production to China. So everyone deals in dollars, and Euros, and whatever else they need to convert to on the floating currency exchanges to balance payments into the local currencies they are selling and buying from.

The only reason we benefit from running a huge trade deficit, which lowers inflation at the expense of jobs here, is because all these nations want to leach off of our immense consumption capacity instead of becoming internally efficient themselves. Anyone who blames their actions, which we lobby until we are blue in the face to stop, are ill informed.

Every American should take jobs over short run inflation any day. More jobs = demand for labor = pay raises. These will more than offset inflation and become a net benefit to working society. And we can more than cover the COLA to transfer payment recipients as Treasury revenue will be bolstered while welfare/retraining/unemployment costs are lowered.

You obviously do not understand the simple fact that what gives modern currency value is the use of said currency.

If you're going to troll on this subject you might as well log in with your regular account and ask questions directly. Bord knows I like to talk about it so trolling never works me up more than it gives me an opportunity to collect my thoughts and put them on paper. So thank you.

 

[franklin]

China has been accused of keeping the value of their currency artificially low.

I don't get it.

We don't want to run trade deficits and have the world rely on us for their economies to flourish. The benefit, however, is that historically the surplus economies have the most to lose in trade wars or when things rebalance naturally or through coordinated government intervention. This is because relying on others for jobs (consumption) does your nation no favors when the tide turns. See Japan post Plaza Accords (the 30 year stagflation) and the US during the Great Depression (clinging to the gold standard when every other country was abandoning it, and healing after doing so, had plenty to do with it as well. But when external demand came back it stayed at home).

Another example is if we quit allowing China to dump goods then their economy would crater, and so would the price of damn near every commodity. Is $1.50 gas going to scare anyone into world reserve currency status is gone induced coma? China knows this which is why they are taking massive steps to rebalance by pushing internal demand upwards. It's a difficult thing for a state driven economy to do. Change must come gradually or things go helter skelter.

 

[franklin]

^these posts brought to you after ten beers.

 

[♪alt13]

Power comes from productive capacity, not some symbolic medium of exchange.

Ther are roughly 25,000 man hours in one gallon of oil.

The world reserve currency status is nothing but a drag on our internal production, and losing that could do nothing but strengthen us, even if it means losing this pretend power over oil imports.

Wrong.

The only reason we benefit from running a huge trade deficit, which lowers inflation at the expense of jobs here, is because all these nations want to leach off of our immense consumption capacity instead of becoming internally efficient themselves.

So we are good at consuming? Are you really this slow? What gives us our ability to consume more than we produce?

Every American should take jobs over short run inflation any day. More jobs = demand for labor = pay raises.

Jobs and raises will cause inflation. Srs wtf R U talking about.

If you're going to troll on this subject you might as well log in with your regular account and ask questions directly. Bord knows I like to talk about it so trolling never works me up more than it gives me an opportunity to collect my thoughts and put them on paper.

Your thoughts are anything but collected. This is my only account. I am not trolling you. You made a ridiculous statement about US companies not getting contracts as if it were relevant to the state of the dollar.

P.s. I am drunk but that doesn't make me a troll.