LDS general conference - Fall 2013

[Stoked]

Ive always been confused about Mormons beliefs about Jesus and the Cross. What do Mormons believe?


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Jesus died on the cross for our sins. Thru him we can reach heaven and he made it possible to seek repentance for our sins. As a result he is our Savior.

The major difference is all symbolism. Many Christian denominations use the cross as a symbol of their faith in Christ. Mormons choose not to because we try not to focus on his death but on his resurrection.

 

[♪alt13]

I don't understand why women want the priesthood. IMO you either believe that blacks carry "the mark of cain" and that women play a secondary role to men or you don't really believe in the book of mormon. If one can edit these great books that were handed down to man by god to people with a higher moral character than ourselves what is the point believing in them at all.

This doesn't just apply to mormons. I have never met a christian in my life that actually believes what the bible says. Do any of you believe this...

- Leviticus 24:16:

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

 

[UGLI baby]

Jesus died on the cross for our sins. Thru him we can reach heaven and he made it possible to seek repentance for our sins. As a result he is our Savior.

The major difference is all symbolism. Many Christian denominations use the cross as a symbol of their faith in Christ. Mormons choose not to because we try not to focus on his death but on his resurrection.

In specific I guess I wanted to ask if Mormons believe that Jesus paid their debt in full or not. I have heard so many differing things and never asked a Mormon.

Also, why do Mormons believe Jesus had this authority?

I promise these are genuine questions.


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[Stoked]

In specific I guess I wanted to ask if Mormons believe that Jesus paid their debt in full or not. I have heard so many differing things and never asked a Mormon.

Also, why do Mormons believe Jesus had this authority?

I promise these are genuine questions.


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Oh ok. Well Baptists believe that faith alone is enough to save you. LDS doctrine teaches that faith without works is dead.

For example: I cannot say I believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and go out and lie, cheat, booze, steal...if I truly believe I will act in accordance and have things to show for my faith. Just believing it is not enough. I have to act on it.

As for the authority. Jesus Christ was hand picked by Heavenly Father (God) to be our Savior. It is why he came to earth. He is our Eldest brother and as such paid the price for our sins. He was perfect here on this earth and as such was worthy of paying that debt.

 

[UGLI baby]

Oh ok. Well Baptists believe that faith alone is enough to save you. LDS doctrine teaches that faith without works is dead.

For example: I cannot say I believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and go out and lie, cheat, booze, steal...if I truly believe I will act in accordance and have things to show for my faith. Just believing it is not enough. I have to act on it.

As for the authority. Jesus Christ was hand picked by Heavenly Father (God) to be our Savior. It is why he came to earth. He is our Eldest brother and as such paid the price for our sins. He was perfect here on this earth and as such was worthy of paying that debt.

Thanks for answering brother.

 

[Zulu]

All of these statements are true, but I have been to Africa and (at least judging from the locations that I visited) it wouldn't make too much sense to go there to conduct missionary work if you were not interested in converting blacks.

Dude the LDS church had missionaries in South Africa in the 1800's.... About 10% of South Africa population is of European decent!!!

 

[UGLI baby]

Dude the LDS church had missionaries in South Africa in the 1800's.... About 10% of South Africa population is of European decent!!!

From what I've seen, the Euros in S.A. are more than decent.

 

[colton]

Did you ever baptize a woman? Did you have a similar discussion with them... except, of course, for the part about the policy having been changed.

Yep. And no, I didn't have a similar discussion with them. But then, the differences between the sexes are far more pronounced than the differences between races. And having an all-male priesthood is not too uncommon.

 

[colton]

Ive always been confused about Mormons beliefs about Jesus and the Cross. What do Mormons believe?

We believe that Jesus's suffering for our sins culminated with his death on the cross, and that (for reasons we can't understand) this ultimate price was needed in order to accomplish the means for our forgiveness. In that sense we revere the cross like all other Christians. That being said, most Mormons also view the cross as the instrument of his torture and demise, and therefore is not an object to put on display in our chapels--in that sense, we are pretty different from most Christian denominations. I personally am far more liberal than most Mormons in that respect, and (for example) love hymns like "As I survey the wondrous cross" which don't necessarily find a place in our hymn book.

 

[Stoked]

We believe that Jesus's suffering for our sins culminated with his death on the cross, and that (for reasons we can't understand) this ultimate price was needed in order to accomplish the means for our forgiveness. In that sense we revere the cross like all other Christians. That being said, most Mormons also view the cross as the instrument of his torture and demise, and therefore is not an object to put on display in our chapels--in that sense, we are pretty different from most Christian denominations. I personally am far more liberal than most Mormons in that respect, and (for example) love hymns like "As I survey the wondrous cross" which don't necessarily find a place in our hymn book.

I also do not share the aversion to the cross that most other Mormons do.

 

[♪alt13]

No and here is why. I feel that women are men's equal. Now that does not mean the same. For example: in my mission field there were female missionaries. Some male missionaries did not feel they should be there and were a waste of time and resources. I did not. They could reach people and do things that I could not and vice versa.

If you want to consider women not holding the priesthood means they are second class citizens than fine. But I do not. So I disagree with the premise of the arguement.

Edit: I am sure that some people do feel that way and that is fine. But others do not. So the base arguement is not an absolute.

“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife... as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.”

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Latter-day Saint Messenger and Advocate, Nov. 1835

 

[spycam1]

I don't understand why women want the priesthood. IMO you either believe that blacks carry "the mark of cain" and that women play a secondary role to men or you don't really believe in the book of mormon. If one can edit these great books that were handed down to man by god to people with a higher moral character than ourselves what is the point believing in them at all.

This doesn't just apply to mormons. I have never met a christian in my life that actually believes what the bible says. Do any of you believe this...

- Leviticus 24:16:

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

Then why not ask them? These issues are extremely complicated and personal, and your simplification of it all comes across as nothing more than a condescending straw man fallacy.

I certainly don't fully understand everything there is to know about the controversy surrounding women and the priesthood, but websites like Ordain Women are a good place to get further education on it all.

https://ordainwomen.org/