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fishonjazz
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I was excited this year to see enes, derrick, gordon, alec and trey all play over 30 minutes every game regardless of wins or losses.
That was really the thing I cared about more than anything.
Since jeffy and marvin are playing so much and rush and biedrins minutes are certain to increase, now all I care about are losses and the eventually release of kermit the frog, aka ty the turd, aka the milkman
That was really the thing I cared about more than anything.
Since jeffy and marvin are playing so much and rush and biedrins minutes are certain to increase, now all I care about are losses and the eventually release of kermit the frog, aka ty the turd, aka the milkman
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Corbin is working on player development. It has been established in this very forum that reducing PT so a player can watch the game instead of play it accelerates their development at an exponential rate. So the less PT they get, the better they will become due to the mystical "watch and learn" phenomenon that has been employed by so many of history's greats, such as...umm. Well I am sure there must be greats out there that became great by watching and not doing. That's what is happening, and we will have several MVP candidates as a results of RJ and Marv playing more than the Core 5.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Don't know about the others but Trey had foul truble. Two fouls in the first 5 minutes of the game, and had to sit the rest of the first quarter. If not for foul trouble Burke ends up playing over 30 minutes.
Favors had some good offense, but he really played like **** on defense. I'd like to see him get benched a game or two to send a message. 4 rebounds no blocks, and little to no help defense = him quitting. He was extremely lazy last night on defense, and that's suppose to be his strength.
Kanter just came back from a sprained ankle.
Why the hell does Burks deserve minutes, plus 24 minutes for a bench player is good.
You can't just play these guys thirty+ minutes a game when playing like **** or they will develop losing habbits and not progress messages and lessons by restricting minutes must happen. Discipline is the best way to get guys to wake up and play the right way. Do you honestly think these guys have earned the right to be playing that many minutes, playing as ****y as they are?
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Stockton was a bench player for 3-4 years. Kobe hardly played his first year or two. T-mac didn't play much to start.
Look at Vanhorn. He should've had an Allstar career, he started every game his first couple years and was really good looking like he would be an Allstar, but he played for bad teams and ended up getting worse and worse year after year after that.
All of the c4 are getting more minutes then they were last year. I don't want our guys to just go through this year thinking they have free rains to do and play as crappy as they can, because then they would end up amounting to not a damned thing.
Look what Deron's benching did for him. Even though he didnt like it, he himself even admitted it was the right move and helped him play better once he got back in the starting lineup.
There is something called coaching, and not just letting the players do the same damned mistakes over and over, and what the c4 are doing needs to be corrected. Time to sit some asses!
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Ya lucas has earned his minutes damn it! So has jefferson and rush.
Why is it that favors, kanter, and burks minutes should be taken away for poor play but not jefferson or lucas?
What has gobert done to deserve zero minutes.
The way I see it is that pretty much the whole team sucks so I think the young guys that will be around next year SHOULD just be given the minutes.
To me the only ones who have "earned" minutes are evans, marvin, and gobert.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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From your dumbass comment looks like you read the first couple lines then overreacted.
The way I read your dumbass comment is let the young guys play and learn bad habbits because there is no discipline on the team. The players develop bad habits never learn how to win, and play them selve into vets who are just role players who end up amounting to nothing more then that.
Great idea fishy!
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Sittin on the bench for mistakes hasn't worked so far..... dumbass.
Maybe we try something new.
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I saw lebron make a couple mistakes in his last game..... should have been benched tbh.
I kid.
But seriously what about about when jefferson plays badly? Should he benched too or should we teach the young guys that no matter how you play, you can never lose minutes as long as you are an old vet that came from another team and won't be around next year?
I saw lebron make a couple mistakes in his last game..... should have been benched tbh.
I kid.
But seriously what about about when jefferson plays badly? Should he benched too or should we teach the young guys that no matter how you play, you can never lose minutes as long as you are an old vet that came from another team and won't be around next year?
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For your scenario to work there needs to be coaching going on, as in showing and telling the player what they need to do differently, then letting them put that into practice on the court, then critiquing afterward. Coaching happens all along the way, not just in how often or long they sit a given player. For reduction of PT to be an effective teaching tool it needs to be part of a coaching strategy, and used as a tool, and there needs to be teaching to go along with it. If it is just the bball equivalent of smacking a dog on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper then it is less effective than just letting them play through the issues and learn on the fly. The players who mentioned that sitting them did them good were not stating that sitting on the bench alone was the magic pill, as if the cold metal of the chair imparted some mystical basketball wisdom by osmosis. What they are saying is that the coaching strategy that was used to teach them the game and how to play it, of which reduced PT was a part along with teaching and mentoring so they understood the "why" behind a benching, was effective in helping them develop. Without the strategy and teaching moments, simply reducing PT results in players like Trey being bored and playing with their tongues instead of learning anything.
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I read the whole quote and all of yours and I wonder if you read all of his. Yes, Gobert does deserve the minutes and he got a DNP -- WTF?
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Really!! God your dumb. The c4 have played big minutes till just recently, and they all have gotten much worse over the first 16 games!! What the hell have you been watching. Maybe your fine with Favors only getting 4 boards and no blocks while playing Big-Al like help defense, or maybe your fine with the countless boneheaded mistakes and turnovers made by Kanter, and don't get me started on his Memo like defense he has shown this year, and looking like he's just going through the motions! Burks, and all his bad outside jumpers he takes outside of the offense, or wild passes he does! Sounds like Hayward needs to get mad or something he could use a good god-damn benching as well! He's in some kind of funk that looks never ending. So I guess Ty should let them run free in the asylum completely unchecked. I guess you think it might be fun to talk about getting a top three pick over the next decade!
DUMBASS!!!!!!
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Corbin is awesome. We are young. Have patience, things will turn around
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So what is Lucas doing to deserve playtime?!? What about Jefferson?! Did Gobert deserve a DNP? You have avoided this from the beginning.
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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It's deffinetly about coaching, but it's also about accountability. Those players have gotten worse as the year has gone on. All they are doing is making the mistakes worse and compounding them. They have gotten the tast of starting. It's different from coming off the bench or in Burks case getting a secondary role on the bench to first off the bench playing important bench role. So far it hasn't worked, if the coach does nothing, all he's doing is running there careers into the ground.
I haven't been talking about Bobert now have I. I'd like to see him get a few minutes here and there, so not sure where your going with this?
Stockton had an all-star playing in front of him. Stockton hardly sat on the bench. His first year he average 18 minutes a game, 2nd year 24 (started 38 games), 3rd year 23 minutes and he was the starter his fourth year averaging 35 minutes a game. So even with an all-star in front of him he got playing time. Burke has John Lucas III as competition.
Kobe came to a pretty good Laker team but his first year he play 1105 minutes and his second year he was over 2000 minutes so he hardly sat and watched his first two years. By his third he was averaging over 30 minutes and the rest is history.
I would like to see a link to the suppose assumption that DW was ever happy with not playing right away. Every interview I remember DW wasn't happy about it and I believe it was always a sore spot between the two.
So you're blaming the fact that Vanhorn played right away as proof why he didn't live up to his potential. Yea I guess the fact that he got hurt, he didn't develop/work on his game once teams figured out how to guard him and just maybe he was overrated as a player ( a tweener) might have affect his career too. It is a big stretch to simply state the reason why he wasn't an all-star had to do with him playing too soon.
I have no problem sitting a player if they are playing badly but the same standard should be enforced if a veteran player is playing poorly. Unfortunately this isn't the case. Last night Lucas was playing well, he was 3-3 then he started believing he was MJ and started shooting and missing too much, Ty simply allowed him to keep playing even though the game was still in reach.
This decision along with keeping Burks in the game resulted in the game becoming a blow out simply because he was protecting Burke from getting a possible third foul. Why not bring in Garrett (who has played well) and get Lucas out who was getting killed on the defensive end and playing selfishly on the offensive end. How has Biedrins earned playing time over Gobert? I could go on and on but the only vets who have earned playing time are Marvin Williams, Evans, and some games Jefferson.
All of this.
This forum is like the parents of ****ty players who missed the junior high bball team because they sucked balls. It was coaches fault, he couldn't see their talent yo. Never the child's fault, excuses excuses.
Alec Burks sucks ***. I don't want to see him play another minute, and if it weren't for the tank he wouldn't.
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Serious question though, who is better out of burks and Richard Jefferson? Because stats and production say they are the same player. I think neither of them should get minutes, but if one gets minutes, shouldn't it be the guy who is young and might get better?
Gobert is being benched because the Jazz spread the floor better without him, and he hasn't established a post game. It's not always about marginal talent. The young Jazz players need to be able to run an offense in order to learn how to play.
Y'all bitch when the offense looks like **** (blame it on Corbin), and y'all bitch when Marvin and Jefferson hold it together (blame it on Corbin). Y'all bitch when Evans DNPs (blame it on Corbin), and y'all bitch when he takes 26 minutes from Gobert (blame it on Corbin).
Y'all bitch when the offense looks like **** (blame it on Corbin), and y'all bitch when Marvin and Jefferson hold it together (blame it on Corbin). Y'all bitch when Evans DNPs (blame it on Corbin), and y'all bitch when he takes 26 minutes from Gobert (blame it on Corbin).
Burks. Sucks. ***.
Put down the stat sheet and watch the game. Burks ruins the offense and can't play a lick of defense. His stats are padded from playing in junk minutes.