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I now have an excellent DVD put out by some southern Baptist type of patriots. . . . Newt Gingrich gives the introduction. It is about "The Wall of Separation" Thomas Jefferson referred to in his letter to the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists. In the year 1801-2, Connecticut still have a state religion. . . . Congregationalist I think. A lot of my ancestors came from there, leaving in 1797 to take land grants awarded by Congress for their service in the American Revolution. Probably a majority of States then had their own state-sanctioned church. . . .

The idea of barring the Federal Government from usurping control over the states, and dictating a national government, was one of the conditions a lot of States insisted on.

So the idea is presented in this light. . . .our founders did not want a government that was absolute, but limited, particularly the Federal government. They did not want a President, or a Judiciary, or a Legislature at the Federal level with any kind of absolute power, and they prayed that the government they were setting up at the federal level would never get the idea or the power to become absolute.

When "progressives" obtained their majority in the Supreme Court, they began to say things like "The Constitution means what we say it means", and began to overturn one principle after another that should have been kept in place to keep the Federal government limited to the original scope intended and agreed to by the contracting States.

About thirty years into that tyrannical tradition, The Supreme Court began to invoke the "Wall of Separation" in ways Thomas Jefferson never intended, and our founders would never have accepted. They turned the idea upside down, and instead of it being a limit on the Federal government, they made it a limit on the speech and conduct of the citizen, literally driving religious believers into their closets to exercise their faith.

It took a lot of outright, knowing lies and knowing liars to turn our federal government into the authoritarian phenomenon it is today. . . . all "progressives".
 
At the state level, having a "state-sanctioned church" is not a good idea. . . . it was a holdover from the medieval period of Western Europe, something that developed from the absolute tyranny of the medieval Church-States like the Holy Roman Empire and England, where a person even having a bible could be, and often was, burned as a heretic.
 
At the state level, having a "state-sanctioned church" is not a good idea. . . . it was a holdover from the medieval period of Western Europe, something that developed from the absolute tyranny of the medieval Church-States like the Holy Roman Empire and England, where a person even having a bible could be, and often was, burned as a heretic.

I see the same kind of absolute, tyrannical impulse in what a lot of progressives say today as they invoke ideas like "social justice" and "political correctness" and pound conformity into school kids. With vague ideas about "evolution" and "environment" and a lot of other "good" values, they are pursuing a campaign to marginalize and persecute anyone who is not "compliant" with their world view. . . .

Give them the power, and they will tell you what to do with every last red cent you've got, if they don't take it from you in taxes and spend it themselves. They will tell you who can do what in every possible or conceivable way, and they will tell you if you deserve to live or not, and whether you can get health care or not. . . .
 
I can't dispute the actual sovereignty of God. Even devils, including The Devil, actually know who God is. On the dark side of knowing that, there are those who hate the fact. Somewhere there's a scripture if my memory serves me well that states that even the devils believe in God, and even fear and tremble in His presence. When Jesus was casting out demons, they did comply. Probably hated it, though.

So when demons or devils are whispering in your ear that there is no God, they are self-knowing liars. I don't know what anyone can do about folks who choose to go that, that is their choice. I consider that God has given me a great gift in just the privileges of living in this world, of my life itself. I'd like to give a gift back to Him in return. . . . by making to my best understanding my best effort to live a life that serves Him and His, but most of all in choosing to love Him and choosing to believe the good about Him.

The devilish thing about Bill Ayers and other determined "progressives", beside the lies they make up about who they are and what they want, is the fact that they are willing liars who will purposefully, assiduously, and regardless of whatever the truth may be, go on making up any lie they can to beat down anyone who seems to be in their way. Bill Ayers, like Trotsky and other organizers for totalitarian control states, don't care what the truth is, they are determined to work the crowds and just manipulate them whatever it takes.

PKM knows the nature of humans to deny the obvious, but then again there is the anti-Christ who will deceive people into believing what they want to believe.

But as He says his second appearance ain't going to be like the first. People ain't going to be allowed to deny who He is, whether they never knew the truth or rejected the truth. No perjury allowed.
 
I see the same kind of absolute, tyrannical impulse in what a lot of progressives say today as they invoke ideas like "social justice" and "political correctness" and pound conformity into school kids. With vague ideas about "evolution" and "environment" and a lot of other "good" values, they are pursuing a campaign to marginalize and persecute anyone who is not "compliant" with their world view. . . .

Give them the power, and they will tell you what to do with every last red cent you've got, if they don't take it from you in taxes and spend it themselves. They will tell you who can do what in every possible or conceivable way, and they will tell you if you deserve to live or not, and whether you can get health care or not. . . .

I guess people are fine with all this as long as they have their diversions like sports, forums, booze, TV, etc...

It doesn't seem like there is anything sacred enough for the masses to stand up for, or there is too much to stand up for in Obamanation so you can't focus on any one thing to fight.
 
Babe, did you read that Jerome Corsi Kennedy Assassination book yet?

No I haven't. I think I've heard him talk about it on the radio, though. Isn't he the guy with Kennedy family connections at that time, through the Kennedy mob connections?

I was already reading newspapers and taking an interest in the news when Kennedy was assassinated. I remember the news about Oswald, and about him also being killed by Jack Ruby, was it?. I remember thinking at that time that for some reason Oswald was having the "silence" laid on him by people who didn't want him alive to talk. I never believed the official story. A lot of people liked Kennedy, I did not. Too glib, too much a popular sensation, I never trust that kind of thing. Earlier in this thread I discussed the book about "Dr. Feelgood" and how Kennedy was being given pain shots, in super doses. He got one of those shots so he could look "charismatic" and energetic for the Nixon debate. Dr. Feelgood was a Soviet agent reporting directly to Khruschev, and acting on the information provided Khruschev decided he could go ahead and put nukes on Cuba. He didn't think Kennedy would whimper because he was solidly in LaLaLand and chasing the skirts.

Charlton Heston and the SuperMogul Director and most of the cast of "The Ten Commandments" were doing drugs to give them the performance edge as well, all clients of Dr. Feelgood.

But the positive thing about Kennedy was that he was not going to go all Fascist like the Rockefeller crowd, Republican and Democrat, has done.
 
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I guess people are fine with all this as long as they have their diversions like sports, forums, booze, TV, etc...

It doesn't seem like there is anything sacred enough for the masses to stand up for, or there is too much to stand up for in Obamanation so you can't focus on any one thing to fight.

The Book of Mormon, speaking of our times, declares "Wo unto all who say "all is well" in Zion", like the official LDS Church public relations folks are wont to do. As well as our political mainstreamers who have taken their positions at the behemoth Federal power teats.
 
PKM knows the nature of humans to deny the obvious, but then again there is the anti-Christ who will deceive people into believing what they want to believe.

But as He says his second appearance ain't going to be like the first. People ain't going to be allowed to deny who He is, whether they never knew the truth or rejected the truth. No perjury allowed.

As I understand or imagine it, even after Christ comes again there will be plenty of room to believe or disbelieve whatever we want. Until the final judgment at the close of the Millenium, after the final unleashing of Satan for a short time, which will be as trying a time as any, including Noah's day and ours.

At the near term, I think the coming of Jesus will dismantle the UN and the globalist agenda, in net effect. People who are not actually evil will indeed see the evil we have now for what it is, or was. There will still be different churches. Some note that those who don't convert to Jesus may experience some droughts.

Like, for example, California right now.
 
Maybe he already returned and we all got left behind.
 
Maybe he already returned and we all got left behind.

while this could be the fact, for all I know. . . . maybe even in the first century AD so far as that goes. . .

I could run out a whole lot of scriptures to the contrary. . . . as Pearl says, pretty much everyone can see the " clouds of heaven", and I'd think it a pretty serious case of blasphemy to imagine, let alone insist, that the UN global governance crowd are his servants. . . .

Nope, I'm looking for a real change.
 
while this could be the fact, for all I know. . . . maybe even in the first century AD so far as that goes. . .

I could run out a whole lot of scriptures to the contrary. . . . as Pearl says, pretty much everyone can see the " clouds of heaven", and I'd think it a pretty serious case of blasphemy to imagine, let alone insist, that the UN global governance crowd are his servants. . . .

Nope, I'm looking for a real change.

So here's a theory. He returned, and everyone that wasn't assimilated was brainwashed and forced to forget that it ever happened. In the same fell stroke, scripture was modified to make it appear he hadn't returned. We are just waiting for the galactic toaster to take care of the final piece.
 
I guess people are fine with all this as long as they have their diversions like sports, forums, booze, TV, etc...

It doesn't seem like there is anything sacred enough for the masses to stand up for, or there is too much to stand up for in Obamanation so you can't focus on any one thing to fight.

The last 8 pages of this thread were excellent, right up until babe started using the term "Progressive" and you started posting. Amazing how quickly a good conversation can go to **** as soon as you show up.

As I understand or imagine it, even after Christ comes again there will be plenty of room to believe or disbelieve whatever we want. Until the final judgment at the close of the Millenium, after the final unleashing of Satan for a short time, which will be as trying a time as any, including Noah's day and ours.

At the near term, I think the coming of Jesus will dismantle the UN and the globalist agenda, in net effect. People who are not actually evil will indeed see the evil we have now for what it is, or was. There will still be different churches. Some note that those who don't convert to Jesus may experience some droughts.

Like, for example, California right now.

I'm with you, Baberaham. I'll spare you my thoughts, as frankly, I don't even know where to begin, but I think they're a lot like yours.

Maybe he already returned and we all got left behind.

The fellows of GAZA would agree with this theory. While your tongue in cheek answer is funny, it is also scary as crap.

So here's a theory. He returned, and everyone that wasn't assimilated was brainwashed and forced to forget that it ever happened. In the same fell stroke, scripture was modified to make it appear he hadn't returned. We are just waiting for the galactic toaster to take care of the final piece.

If you can believe all of the other stuff that has been talked about in the last eight pages, it's really not that big of a stretch to admit that this is a possibility too, no?

Alright, I'll go back to not participating in threads that I should just stay the hell out of. My bad. Good work though, fella's, really enjoyable stuff.
 
The last 8 pages of this thread were excellent, right up until babe started using the term "Progressive" and you started posting. Amazing how quickly a good conversation can go to **** as soon as you show up.



I'm with you, Baberaham. I'll spare you my thoughts, as frankly, I don't even know where to begin, but I think they're a lot like yours.



The fellows of GAZA would agree with this theory. While your tongue in cheek answer is funny, it is also scary as crap.



If you can believe all of the other stuff that has been talked about in the last eight pages, it's really not that big of a stretch to admit that this is a possibility too, no?

Alright, I'll go back to not participating in threads that I should just stay the hell out of. My bad. Good work though, fella's, really enjoyable stuff.

I think I converted PKM to take the plunge of reaffirmation of his original faith. Probably happens to a lot of folks who come in here to play with the alternatives. . . . .

Just a comment about that sig line of yours, the Red Sea "classless tools". . . . At Utah we do have all kinds of classes, too, including a lot of political progressives. I chose Utah because I was afraid of being a rebel in a Blue Sea and a classier bunch of tools.

cheers.
 
Haha, I love you. Do you ever sleep, or are your deep thought rambling a nothing more than sleep deprived psychobabble?
 
Haha, I love you. Do you ever sleep, or are your deep thought rambling a nothing more than sleep deprived psychobabble?

I sleep the sleep of the just, but I wake up easily, and I have to do, or start to do, something incredibly boring to me, to get back to sleep. Two things have proven to be very effective. . . . watching my DVD of Johnny Lingo and Jazzfanz. . ..
 
My belief is the church has not yet been raptured, but will be just prior to the tribulation period.
7yr peace agreement with Israel.
The temple re-built.
Rise of the anti-chirst.
The emergence of the two witnesses on the streets of Jerusalem.
The anti-christ aking a seat in God's temple.
The mark...

Etc, etc...

I plan to go in the rapture. I am also prepared (in an earthly sense) to ride out the 7 years.

Thanks for all the conversation. I'll be around here and there
 
srs. Yes.

still live in genuine ghetto house. I've had some others in downtown SLC with hos and druggies for neighbors, but at present I'm in West Valley City with the illegal alien set. . . except for the nice LDS lady next door whose husband, when he was alive, was deaf.

My wife wants to move on up, but we'll be here a while.
 
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