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Yesterday - Bundy Ranch
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Darkwing Duck
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Even a large area of low food yield land will be devastated by 1000 cattle. Need a HELL of a lot more water than the area produces to revitalize it, which ruins the natural habitat of the area, which is one of the factors in this case.
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In response to the comments about hard to improve land with a 1,000 cattle. Pointing out that this isn't a small plot of land. That cattle, like most animals, will shy away from constant noise and commotion.
So then the debate is more what constitutes "improvement". Correct?
Nothing a good ole fashioned solar plant can't fix.
Darkwing Duck
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I find it hard to believe desert/steppe land can sustain itself when being grazed by 1000 cattle. Buildings and roads aren't going to change that. The only way to sustain the land as it is currently is to pump resources into it. Hard to consider that an improvement.
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This is A PART of the debate. It was a massive MISSING PART early on, which is why I raised a fuss.
I still have no idea what you're talking about with noise and commotion. Unfortunately, I gotta run.
Darkwing Duck
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Solar panel in and of itself would have the land produce more than what would be going into it.
Well the claim is that they have placed road ways, water tanks, irrigation lines...can be argued as improvements to the land. Just not enviromental improvements which seems to be what you are arguing. I wonder if that was a specific issue decided in court.
The lengths some will go to defend their defense of a racist piece of ****. Wow.
A cowboy hat and a gun on a turd is a turd, folks.
A cowboy hat and a gun on a turd is a turd, folks.
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While I'm not against solar power in and of itself, it's some of the other details and the fact that you tell ranchers they can't ruin the land with their cattle yet you are fine with ruining it with construction crews etc that do far more damage. Why push ranchers off of land they've used for years to do this where there are a million other places you can put a plant like this? There's more to all this crap and shenanigans that involve cash and power than have anything to do with preserving land for our future.
Are you even reading this thread? The general consensus is that Bundy is wrong legally as well as a bigot/racist. But we are beyond arguing about him and are talking about the details of the case. Damn man...
Darkwing Duck
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I'd say it's more about sustainability and resource management, not specifically environmental improvement. The amount of resources needed to keep a desert/steppe land sustainable for 1000 cattle to graze is pretty large given the environmental impact. This is why it's not surprising water rights appears to be a large issue here.
This has much more to do with other issues than defending one rancher.
I actually can't think of anyone in this thread that is actually defending Bundy no matter what on this whole situation.
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The type of "improvement" they are claiming is the kind that requirs machinery and construction. That means noise and commotion. So it they are building a road way or erecting a water tank then the cows if even in that area will drift away to more peaceful areas.
Yes, I'm reading the thread.
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I'm not even referring to you or your posts. Why do you need to be involved and comment on every post in every thread even when no one is talking to you? It's annoying.
Hantlers
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Exactly where did I say that? C'mon…I didn't say anything remotely like that.
If you have opportunities, and you don't work hard, you aren't going to get far.
If you don't have opportunities, and you do work hard, you may not get far, but at least you have a chance.
If you have opportunities, and you work hard, the chances of getting farther are increased. Nothing is definite, but yeah, I think that if you work hard the chances of getting further are increased. You're living proof of that.
I'm also white as a ghost, and grew up seeing white males dominate the workforce. Not native american, seeing my village elders survive off the land and only the land.
Then maybe you should specify who you are talking to so people know. If you leave it open expect to be answered by anybody considering this is a public forum. If you have a problem with that then to damn bad.