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How come AK isn't given any slack?

Saying that you want your team to foul more is dumb. If the ref is going to let one player push around and elbow his opponent, there is not much the pushee can do about it. Committing frustration fouls is just going to make things worse.
 
Great? GREAT?

Not even close. He's had some good games, and some good shots but nowhere near "great".
He is so inconsistent he's starting to make CJ Miles seem like a steady anchor.

He's been this way for a long long time. He'll have some good games, maybe even a great game or two, but overall very average.
For the money we are paying him he should be giving us a lon more.

Some key concerns with AK.
-His defense is so inconsisntent.
-His jump shooting is not good. Teams lay off him, and dare him to shoot. On most nights he's off, and it hurts us.
-Finishing at the rim. He goes up so weak sometimes, and can rarely finish in traffic.

Great players are Lebron, Kobe, and Wade. Those players are great.
Great players bring it almost every night. They are rarely off. AK is nowhere near greatness.
 
C'mon it's not the same if you have to explain it... I "typo'd" Cavs and irregardless on purpose.

Also I'll agree his offense is inconsistent but his D while maybe not as great as it used to be is still good and as consistent as anybody.
 
northeast said:
Saying that you want your team to foul more is dumb. If the ref is going to let one player push around and elbow his opponent, there is not much the pushee can do about it . . . .
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. . . except to not let the pusher push him around. Without fouling back.

Not saying that even the bigger (235-pound) AK is good at that.

Just saying that there is something fundamental to do about it, and I continue to be amazed how much NBA players shun contact (e.g., boxing out or putting a body on their man, which doesn't necessarily likely lead to fouls).

It's partly why I have been soooo critical of at least the earlier Jefferson (and Millsap in the occasions that he has been lapsing)--and partly why I think that any player should be sat down when they are dogging it. The problem is often a mental thing, and there's nothing like briefly benching a player who likes to play (probably >90% of the NBA) to make them more focused.
 
Sometimes the refs are going to let LeBron , Kobe , Anthony, etc. push and elbow their opponents, and there is not much that the opponents can do about it without getting called for a foul.
 
AK hate is all contract. If the guy was making 9.50 an hour every one of his flaws would be overlooked. But if you take contract out of the equation, what he does is make any unit he plays on better.
 
oldtimer said:
The truth is AK is overpaid.
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I believe that has a lot to do with the AK hate on this board. I don't have a problem acknowledging weaknesses in AK's game, or pointing out a bad performance. But on the year AK has been a net positive. Did anyone know he was playing injured?
 
Jazz4ever said:
AK's play has not been great this year. He is losing his athleticism and is no longer the defender he once was. His three point shot is falling, so far, but his inside scoring has fallen off a cliff. He no longer gets any alley oops or tip-ins like he use to. He has stayed healthy, that might be the best thing you can say for him this year.

I hate to see people discredit themselves by saying he played good D on Lebron. Lebron embarrassed him, elbowing him and pushing him around like he was a wet noodle. AK did not even foul him...he was scared or just gave up. Not sure which one.
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When have the Jazz had an alleyoop this season?
 
LunaticWolf said:
OH MY GOD! Someone using Production rather than On-Off? I don't believe it.
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Yes, because the discussion was referring partly to individual defense.

Look at Jefferson's and Bell's on-off relative to that of the other three starters, who are doing well in spite of such a +/- setback.

More evidence here that Miles should get more minutes (but benched when he's overshooting), and Bell should be used more selectively.

And it's nice that AJ is slightly outscoring the other center, but the on-off is a better indicator for help defense.

Miles and Millsap are the only Jazzmen right now with both positive individual Production and On-Off. In PM's case, that's mostly effort (and off-season prepping). Miles gets the benefit of playing some of his PT against the backups.

Recall that Bell and Jefferson, both bottom-feeders in terms of +/-, admitted that they came into the season underconditioned. It shows.

Top 10 lineups based on +/- per minute, in descending order, as of December 10:
*Williams-Bell-Miles-Millsap-Fesenko
*Williams-Price-Miles-Millsap-Elson
*Watson-Williams-Miles-Millsap-Jefferson
*Williams-Miles-Kirilenko-Millsap-Jefferson
*Watson-Miles-Evans-Kirilenko-Fesenko
*Watson-Price-Miles-Elson-Fesenko
*Williams-Bell-Miles-Millsap-Elson
*Watson-Williams-Kirilenko-Millsap-Jefferson
*Williams-Price-Miles-Millsap-Jefferson
*Watson-Price-Miles-Kirilenko-Jefferson

Bell is in only two of them. So is Kirilenko. CJ is in all but one of them.
Inference: give Miles more minutes; give Bell or maybe AK fewer.
(Both have averaged notably more MPG than Miles.)

Elson or Fesenko is in five of the lineups; Jefferson is in five.
Inference: Give the bigs more PT; it's working more often than not.
(Not asking for the total bigs' minutes to equal Jeffersons'.
But a combined 20-25+ MPG on most nights for the near-7-footers would be more effective in many ways IMHO.)
 
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InGameStrategy said:
Yes, because the discussion was referring partly to individual defense.

Look at Jefferson's and Bell's on-off relative to that of the other three starters, who are doing well in spite of such a +/- setback.

More evidence here that Miles should get more minutes (but benched when he's overshooting), and Bell should be used more selectively.

And it's nice that AJ is slightly outscoring the other center, but the on-off is a better indicator for help defense.

Miles and Millsap are the only Jazzmen right now with both positive individual Production and On-Off. In PM's case, that's mostly effort (and off-season prepping). Miles gets the benefit of playing some of his PT against the backups.

Recall that Bell and Jefferson, both bottom-feeders in terms of +/-, admitted that they came into the season underconditioned. It shows.

Top 10 lineups based on +/- per minute, in descending order, as of December 10:
*Williams-Bell-Miles-Millsap-Fesenko
*Williams-Price-Miles-Millsap-Elson
*Watson-Williams-Miles-Millsap-Jefferson
*Williams-Miles-Kirilenko-Millsap-Jefferson
*Watson-Miles-Evans-Kirilenko-Fesenko
*Watson-Price-Miles-Elson-Fesenko
*Williams-Bell-Miles-Millsap-Elson
*Watson-Williams-Kirilenko-Millsap-Jefferson
*Williams-Price-Miles-Millsap-Jefferson
*Watson-Price-Miles-Kirilenko-Jefferson

Bell is in only two of them. So is Kirilenko. CJ is in all but one of them.
Inference: give Miles more minutes; give Bell or maybe AK fewer.
(Both have averaged notably more MPG than Miles.)

Elson or Fesenko is in five of the lineups; Jefferson is in five.
Inference: Give the bigs more PT; it's working more often than not.
(Not asking for the total bigs' minutes to equal Jeffersons'.
But a combined 20-25+ MPG on most nights for the near-7-footers would be more effective in many ways IMHO.)
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I'd rather coach on match-ups, not purely average stats. That ain't coaching, that's a math exercise.
 
AK had 13 boards and 3 blocks last night by the way. 2-2 3pt and 6-8 FG overall. Did I mention he had 5 assists and 2 steals? And 1 turn over? And only 1 foul? Did I forget to point out that he outscored Jefferson even while shooting 5 fewer shots? Did I mention he is shooting 41.7% 3pt on the year? And that he's a few bad games, but on the whole has contributed positively?
 
One Brow said:
Did I hurt you, pwecious?
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No, not at all. AK is the second biggest reason I'm a Jazz fan. I was just giving an appropriate response to your idiotic and fallacious argument.

There are plenty of reasons to conclude that AK hasn't performed well this season. His lack of consistency the most obvious. While it's clear that, on average, AK is a much better player than Ronnie Brewer is/was, despite Ronnie's weaknesses, you could always count on him to bring consistently high effort every game. AK takes a lot of games off. It's extremely frustrating to me, since AK has shown in the past how great he can be when he applies himself.

AK and CJ are wildly inconsistent. It's tough to watch. It's nice that Raja has come around since his poor start to the season. Hopefully his consistent focus and effort rubs off on our more talented wing players.
 
TICC said:
No, not at all. AK is the second biggest reason I'm a Jazz fan. I was just giving an appropriate response to your idiotic and fallacious argument.

There are plenty of reasons to conclude that AK hasn't performed well this season. His lack of consistency the most obvious. While it's clear that, on average, AK is a much better player than Ronnie Brewer is/was, despite Ronnie's weaknesses, you could always count on him to bring consistently high effort every game. AK takes a lot of games off. It's extremely frustrating to me, since AK has shown in the past how great he can be when he applies himself.
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Can you think of 4 or 5 games where AK seemed disconnected on offense and defense enough to strongly impact the game?
 
vslice02 said:
Not since Deron to CJ Miles in the 2nd half last night.
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Haven't seen last nights game yet.

Can you think of one before that?

I got one from Deron to AK against the Lakers, but thats about it.

We don't oop nearly as much as we did last season.
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
Can you think of 4 or 5 games where AK seemed disconnected on offense and defense enough to strongly impact the game?
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I'm more on your lines of thinking but I think maybe TICC is seeing AK having a positive impact for the team but that he could be having an even bigger positive impact like last nights game for example.
But I could be wrong, it happens.... a lot.
 
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