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PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Ah i shouldn't have wrote taught (Im far from an expert on the topic), stuff like eye gouging isnt discouraged is what I meant.

I think this thread has convinced me to search for somewhere new to train again, im actually going to look into Grappling and Krav Maga, I live in NY so im sure there's places close, I'd like to master those disarm techniques for sure.

Grappling sounds really badass though, much more so than the BJJ I was doing for a year and a half, I actually stopped because I didn't care to do the competitions that were always being pushed.

Is grappling essentially MMA without strikes? Archie/E.J. could you explain a bit how its scored? What are the weight classes like?
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Training in krav is intense. I trained seriously from age 30 to about 36 or 37 when I moved to a place without a really good place to train in the area and no real time due to job and family commitments, and since then, so the past 6 or 7 years, it has been really off and on. But in the last 3 years I have been back into it more since in Reno there are a couple decent places to train and my schedule allows it more now. I love it. It feels far more real than the "karate" classes I had in my teens (hap kwon do and hap ki do fwiw), and way more practical and useful than tae kwon do which I took for 3 years or so before a friend introduced me to krav. I have seen some altercations with someone who really knows krav and the effects can be nothing short of devastating. Highly recommended if you're into that sort of thing or want to learn self defense that has true real world application. But it's not for pansies, or maybe better put, for casual folks looking to drop a few pounds. Go to a local tae kwon do place if you want to just kick around in sweats and lose a few pounds. Training at a sanctioned facility is seriously hard and intense and can be intimidating. But it's also very cool stuff.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Haha Krav Maga is no joke though, IMO its somewhere on the borderline of Millitary training and self defense, Some of that stuff is not to be used in street fights, or in a gym.

Krav Maga teaches to kick people in the balls, punch people in the throat, gouge their eyes, also they are not opposed to you just flat out stomping on an assailant when they are down to the ground. theres also a particular throw they teach which produces a very violent landing.. so yeah lol, thats kind of why you dont see many Krav Maga fighters in MMA...
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PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Grappling sounds really badass though, much more so than the BJJ I was doing for a year and a half, I actually stopped because I didn't care to do the competitions that were constantly being pushed.
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Depending on which gym you end up in, you might be stuck doing BJJ. For the most part, grappling (depending on the school) is nothing but BJJ without wearing the gi. YouTube Eddie Bravo (who was at our tournament, watching our matches, and talking to guys after -- totally bad ***, imo) if you're bored and/or interested in what no-gi-grappling is all about. Same with Marcello Garcia; those two guys bombdiggity. FYI, Eddie Bravo has his own system and schools called 10th Planet; One of the guys Archibald messed up was a 10th Planet guy; not a small feat.

Is grappling essentially MMA without strikes? Archie/E.J. could you explain a bit how its scored? What are the weight classes like?
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No, not really. Again, it's mostly BJJ minus the goofy costume. It is a totally different mindset, since you can't use your/their clothing as a weapon, but a lot of the moves are the same. Anything you can do to get your opponent to "tap" or "cry uncle" or "yield" will get you a win. If after five minutes (in tournaments), if there isn't a submission, then the ref goes by points. Points are a lot like wrestling: points for takedown, reversal (sweep), mount, escape, etc. I'm a little foggy on points rules since I try not to use them. Weight classes also vary from place to place, I think, but are usually in 10 pound increments. The major exception is "super heavyweight", which is 210 lbs and above. I really don't know why they do that, considering there are always a couple of 300+ pounders competing. Also, as I said before, there is an open weight division called "Absolute" that is a lot of fun. You might get a 160 pound guy or you might get Mr. 300. It's a good challenge for smaller guys as well as the big fellas -- speed kills big guys like me, but if I get a hold of one of those little ****s, it's over. Getting a hold of them though...

Lot's of good schools in NY, dude. If you can afford it, Chris Weidman has a school under Ray Longo; I'd go there first if I had my druthers.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Training in krav is intense. I trained seriously from age 30 to about 36 or 37 when I moved to a place without a really good place to train in the area and no real time due to job and family commitments, and since then, so the past 6 or 7 years, it has been really off and on. But in the last 3 years I have been back into it more since in Reno there are a couple decent places to train and my schedule allows it more now. I love it. It feels far more real than the "karate" classes I had in my teens (hap kwon do and hap ki do fwiw), and way more practical and useful than tae kwon do which I took for 3 years or so before a friend introduced me to krav. I have seen some altercations with someone who really knows krav and the effects can be nothing short of devastating. Highly recommended if you're into that sort of thing or want to learn self defense that has true real world application. But it's not for pansies, or maybe better put, for casual folks looking to drop a few pounds. Go to a local tae kwon do place if you want to just kick around in sweats and lose a few pounds. Training at a sanctioned facility is seriously hard and intense and can be intimidating. But it's also very cool stuff.
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Expensive as hell too, no? This guy I work with did it a few times and I seem to remember him saying it cost something like $125 or $150 for one session.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Expensive as hell too, no? This guy I work with did it a few times and I seem to remember him saying it cost something like $125 or $150 for one session.
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It can be. Depends on the location and their qualifications usually. The place I go now is fairly reasonable, but I use the place more for working out and practice than for "lessons" so to speak. I pay a base of $175 per month which gets me basic lessons and workout time, as well as one on one time with the instructors. I also was taking 2-3 private lessons a month which increased the cost some. I am out of practice now and trying to get back into combat shape, but man it is a lot harder at 44 than it was at 34.

But I can tell you that what they teach works. Here they are adherents of the International Krav Maga Federation/Krav Maga Global group. There are a few schools of thought on krav training and philosophy, and the debates can get pretty heated. I am sure dutch would be able to provide better insight into that part of it, and it could probably be its own thread entirely. I never worried much about that anyway.
 
I wish I had more options than I do. Was doing ken-po but the teaching style wasn't for me and I don't have any other options.
 
Stoked said:
I wish I had more options than I do. Was doing ken-po but the teaching style wasn't for me and I don't have any other options.
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You're in STG, right? Check out Fusion over off River Road. I grapple there on Saturday mornings on occasion.
 
Archie Moses said:
I kind of have mixed feelings on the tournament. I put in a lot of time training and working on my cardio and both my matches ended quickly. I subbed the guy in the championship match in like 5 seconds or so once I got the take down. It was awesome feeling but kinda of a that's it feeling too.
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Well, at least you're not letting it go to your head. I guess next time the $100+ could be better spent elsewhere; maybe doing something that may offer you a challenge (just kidding, you're the best at everything!)?

I'm not trying to be cocky about it though. Trust me, I'll be the first to say I don't know anything and I'm terrible at grappling, but...
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Right.

p.s. Going to class for a month and riding an elliptical doesn't really translate into "a lot of time training", at least, to the rest of us non-amazing people.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Well, at least you're not letting it go to your head. I guess next time the $100+ could be better spent elsewhere; maybe doing something that may offer you a challenge (just kidding, you're the best at everything!)?



Right.

p.s. Going to class for a month and riding an elliptical doesn't really translate into "a lot of time training", at least, to the rest of us non-amazing people.
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I guess what I mean is I was pretty shocked at the results. I was honestly expecting to get my butt kicked or gas out in my matches and my outcomes were far from what I was expecting. I am very grateful I went, I texted you how I feel about it, guy.
 
[video=youtube_share;hH3A7gKzUXQ]https://youtu.be/hH3A7gKzUXQ

Here's a video of my final's match. I haven't seen the others.
 
I don't think you guys realize what an accomplishment this is for Mr. Moses. This was at the world famous UFC Fan Expo and there were 1,200 competitors, including teams from Ukrain, Italy, Brazil, etc.. Archibald took first place. In his first real tournament. And it wasn't even close.

Rep this man, asap.
 
addictionary said:
Cool. congrats. the guy that lost looked scared.
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He probably wasn't nearly as scared as I was. When he was on his back there he was probably wondering if I broke his elbow. Both guys I faced I submitted with a americana and their elbows both snapped hard enough that I could feel and hear them. I was for sure I broke this guys arm though. He said it started to swell and he couldn't move it very well. It's a terrible feeling actually. I hope he's ok because he was a super nice guy as were everyone else I talked to.
 
E.J. Wells said:
I don't think you guys realize what an accomplishment this is for Mr. Moses. This was at the world famous UFC Fan Expo and there were 1,200 competitors, including teams from Ukrain, Italy, Brazil, etc.. Archibald took first place. In his first real tournament. And it wasn't even close.

Rep this man, asap.
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I would have been smashed hard if I had been in any other division. I have nightmares about guys like Troutbum and the dudes he faced.
 
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