I do not think it is that drastic but it is important none the less. What may determine what DL does is what realistic options the Jazz currently have to replace him.
Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?
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I do not think it is that drastic but it is important none the less. What may determine what DL does is what realistic options the Jazz currently have to replace him.
Rodney Hood.
Crawlnstall
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I've always liked Hayward, but to pay a guy almost 16 million a year this guy better be a clear #1 option on a team, and Hayward isn't. He's great for the team but there isn't a guy on our roster that is currently worth that much money
Everyone's shooting % are wildly better with Hayward on the court too.
You hope. That is a lot to rest on the shoulders of an untested rookie drafted 23rd.
Exum's passing ability is going to pick up the slack if Hayward is no longer there. Hayward's passing isn't elite by any stretch of the imagination.
HighlandHomie
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I've always known the majority of this message board's posters were clueless, but this poll proves it. If you voted 'nope', you haven't watched the Jazz and/or have no understanding of the climate of the NBA.
Hayward has improved each season he's been in the league. He's still young and physically developing (strength being the key to him taking the next step), and offers a pretty special skill-set on both ends for someone with his size/athleticism. The hope is that he fulfills the lofty expectations during this new contract.
It is rare the Jazz can lure max-level free agents (or even close to it), with the exception of Boozer but that was under old CBA.
The bottom line is that for the Jazz to get players of Hayward's caliber (or better), they will need to be drafted by us and retained (no matter the price).
I don't get how a fan base is so ready to see a 24 year old walk following a relatively intriguing start to a career under the worst NBA coach in the modern era (Corbin). It's not a coincidence that Hayward has been involved in the Team USA program either - basketball people drool over him.
Now that he's gonna get his money, regardless if it's in Utah or Charlotte, he has to prove he's worth it.
Hayward has improved each season he's been in the league. He's still young and physically developing (strength being the key to him taking the next step), and offers a pretty special skill-set on both ends for someone with his size/athleticism. The hope is that he fulfills the lofty expectations during this new contract.
It is rare the Jazz can lure max-level free agents (or even close to it), with the exception of Boozer but that was under old CBA.
The bottom line is that for the Jazz to get players of Hayward's caliber (or better), they will need to be drafted by us and retained (no matter the price).
I don't get how a fan base is so ready to see a 24 year old walk following a relatively intriguing start to a career under the worst NBA coach in the modern era (Corbin). It's not a coincidence that Hayward has been involved in the Team USA program either - basketball people drool over him.
Now that he's gonna get his money, regardless if it's in Utah or Charlotte, he has to prove he's worth it.
Pretty sure we can bring Jefferson back for 1 more year and ease Hood into it. I see Hood as a Danny Green type player for us in 1-2 years time.
7StraightIsGreat
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This. I think for the most part, Hayward's ability to make people better on the court and how he can effect a game without even scoring are areas that most Jazz fans pay zero attention to when assessing his value. Most fans simply recycle the shooting percentage argument, which makes sense because there is a large amount of idiots in this fan base.
HighlandHomie
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I cannot believe the percentage of opposition in matching around here! But you make a good point - if he does get matched, the honeymoon with DL may be over with some fans. I will be very upset if DL lets Hayward walk.
Perhaps not elite but certainly good. He passes the ball very well.
Jefferson is not a repalcement for Hayward lol. I'd rather bring Williams back. If this is the case then embrace Tank 2.0.
Those are all great questions. I don't think a coach will turn him into a player that is worth his offer.
I do see improvments, but still not a 1 or 2 option on a great team.
Agreed with the last line. He reminds me of AK in that reguard.
Talk about building the Jazz in the Spurs model though, who on the Spurs most closely resembles Hayward? Ginobili right? But we already have Burks for that coming off the bench.
I just don't see how Hayward would fit into this new system of having 4-5 really good shooters on the floor with a dynamic PG.
So once you pay him he is going to be the All-star player that his supporters think he is. Maybe this is as good as it gets with Hayward. He has been in the league for 4 years and his numbers have been going down. Not saying that Hayward isn't a good player but you don't pay the max to a player who hasn't proven he is capable of being that guy.
HighlandHomie
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I think that's why I'm so strongly opposed to letting Hayward walk - because it says, 2014-15 is another season to **** the bed. I really believe with Hayward around we're talented enough to compete for the final few spots in the West. To be honest, I felt that way the last few seasons but knew with Corbin around (and last year's purposeful tank) it wouldn't be attainable.
Assuming Snyder can give this team an identity on both ends, and the guys buy into that system, I'd imagine we're the most improved in terms of win difference in '14-15 with Hayward around.
RJ as his replacement is enough to give me nightmares for months.
Yet idiots like you simply dismiss Hayward bad shooting percentages as being the fault of Ty or the system.
The board is entrenched in the closely held belief that the key to building a championship team, in fiscal terms, is contingent upon the concept that contracts should accurately reflect a player's fair market value. The second derivative of this logic is that each team's payroll structure should accurately correlate to each player's talent level in order of importance to the team. In fact, the CBA, as designed, assures that almost no player's talent level accurately reflects their fair market value and that a team's pay structure usually does not correlate well to the talent order.
HighlandHomie
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Burks is in no way the same type player as Manu. I love Burks - if someone had a gun to my head and told me to pick my current favorite Jazz-man it'd be him - but he is nowhere close to the creator/defender as vintage Manu. You said it yourself, Hayward is the closest thing to Manu in the league in terms of style of play. Of course Hayward still has tons of work left to get to that level... Even though stats won't reflect it, having an athletic 6-7/6-8 player who can handle, pass, shot and defend is priceless. He's just got find that consistency in all departments...
DL's drafting Hood and then going out to get Novak tells me he's really going after the Spurs model of solid 3pt shooting wings.
Hayward doesn't seem to figure into that equation.