Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

[Revolution 9]

But is a new coach ever gonna get him to play better/tougher defense? He isn't tough enough at the 3, and he isn't quick enough to chase down smaller 2's.



Offensively, even if he starts making those 3's, he's still not going to become a consistent 20+ scorer in this league. He's definitely not someone u throw the ball to with 10 seconds left and let him go to work neither.



So my question is - can we justify paying someone MAX who isn't going to score you 20+ points on a nightly basis, NOR is he a 2-way player who gives you a defensive presence at the other end as well?



He is a jack of all trades - a master of none.

Those are all great questions. I don't think a coach will turn him into a player that is worth his offer.
I do see improvments, but still not a 1 or 2 option on a great team.

Agreed with the last line. He reminds me of AK in that reguard.

 

[The Midnight]

Perhaps not elite but certainly good. He passes the ball very well.



Jefferson is not a repalcement for Hayward lol. I'd rather bring Williams back. If this is the case then embrace Tank 2.0.

Talk about building the Jazz in the Spurs model though, who on the Spurs most closely resembles Hayward? Ginobili right? But we already have Burks for that coming off the bench.



I just don't see how Hayward would fit into this new system of having 4-5 really good shooters on the floor with a dynamic PG.

 

[cowhide]

Well OK. Way for being the minority again, me. I voted Yup, because I think Hayward performed inconsistent but highly promising last year, given the stressful responsibility level he has been burdened with, and I strongly believe he still has way to reach his ceiling and that will be done by him being more consistent and finding his necessities in his long-term team Utah Jazz.

So once you pay him he is going to be the All-star player that his supporters think he is. Maybe this is as good as it gets with Hayward. He has been in the league for 4 years and his numbers have been going down. Not saying that Hayward isn't a good player but you don't pay the max to a player who hasn't proven he is capable of being that guy.

 

[HighlandHomie]

Jefferson is not a repalcement for Hayward lol. I'd rather bring Williams back. If this is the case then embrace Tank 2.0.

I think that's why I'm so strongly opposed to letting Hayward walk - because it says, 2014-15 is another season to **** the bed. I really believe with Hayward around we're talented enough to compete for the final few spots in the West. To be honest, I felt that way the last few seasons but knew with Corbin around (and last year's purposeful tank) it wouldn't be attainable.

Assuming Snyder can give this team an identity on both ends, and the guys buy into that system, I'd imagine we're the most improved in terms of win difference in '14-15 with Hayward around.

RJ as his replacement is enough to give me nightmares for months.

 

[cowhide]

This. I think for the most part, Hayward's ability to make people better on the court and how he can effect a game without even scoring are areas that most Jazz fans pay zero attention to when assessing his value. Most fans simply recycle the shooting percentage argument, which makes sense because there is a large amount of idiots in this fan base.

Yet idiots like you simply dismiss Hayward bad shooting percentages as being the fault of Ty or the system.

 

[The Pearl]

This. I think for the most part, Hayward's ability to make people better on the court and how he can effect a game without even scoring are areas that most Jazz fans pay zero attention to when assessing his value. Most fans simply recycle the shooting percentage argument, which makes sense because there is a large amount of idiots in this fan base.

The board is entrenched in the closely held belief that the key to building a championship team, in fiscal terms, is contingent upon the concept that contracts should accurately reflect a player's fair market value. The second derivative of this logic is that each team's payroll structure should accurately correlate to each player's talent level in order of importance to the team. In fact, the CBA, as designed, assures that almost no player's talent level accurately reflects their fair market value and that a team's pay structure usually does not correlate well to the talent order.

 

[HighlandHomie]

Talk about building the Jazz in the Spurs model though, who on the Spurs most closely resembles Hayward? Ginobili right? But we already have Burks for that coming off the bench.



I just don't see how Hayward would fit into this new system of having 4-5 really good shooters on the floor with a dynamic PG.

Burks is in no way the same type player as Manu. I love Burks - if someone had a gun to my head and told me to pick my current favorite Jazz-man it'd be him - but he is nowhere close to the creator/defender as vintage Manu. You said it yourself, Hayward is the closest thing to Manu in the league in terms of style of play. Of course Hayward still has tons of work left to get to that level... Even though stats won't reflect it, having an athletic 6-7/6-8 player who can handle, pass, shot and defend is priceless. He's just got find that consistency in all departments...

 

[The Midnight]

I think that's why I'm so strongly opposed to letting Hayward walk - because it says, 2014-15 is another season to **** the bed. I really believe with Hayward around we're talented enough to compete for the final few spots in the West. To be honest, I felt that way the last few seasons but knew with Corbin around (and last year's purposeful tank) it wouldn't be attainable.

Assuming Snyder can give this team an identity on both ends, and the guys buy into that system, I'd imagine we're the most improved in terms of win difference in '14-15 with Hayward around.

RJ as his replacement is enough to give me nightmares for months.

DL's drafting Hood and then going out to get Novak tells me he's really going after the Spurs model of solid 3pt shooting wings.




Hayward doesn't seem to figure into that equation.

 

[The Midnight]

Burks is in no way the same type player as Manu. I love Burks - if someone had a gun to my head and told me to pick my current favorite Jazz-man it'd be him - but he is nowhere close to the creator/defender as vintage Manu. You said it yourself, Hayward is the closest thing to Manu in the league in terms of style of play. Of course Hayward still has tons of work left to get to that level... Even though stats won't reflect it, having an athletic 6-7/6-8 player who can handle, pass, shot and defend is priceless. He's just got find that consistency in all departments...

But Manu is not a MAX player. He's the 3rd best player on that Spurs team.



That is why we shouldn't pay Hayward MAX.

 

[cowhide]

I've always known the majority of this message board's posters were clueless, but this poll proves it. If you voted 'nope', you haven't watched the Jazz and/or have no understanding of the climate of the NBA.

Hayward has improved each season he's been in the league. He's still young and physically developing (strength being the key to him taking the next step), and offers a pretty special skill-set on both ends for someone with his size/athleticism. The hope is that he fulfills the lofty expectations during this new contract.

It is rare the Jazz can lure max-level free agents (or even close to it), with the exception of Boozer but that was under old CBA.

The bottom line is that for the Jazz to get players of Hayward's caliber (or better), they will need to be drafted by us and retained (no matter the price).

I don't get how a fan base is so ready to see a 24 year old walk following a relatively intriguing start to a career under the worst NBA coach in the modern era (Corbin). It's not a coincidence that Hayward has been involved in the Team USA program either - basketball people drool over him.

Now that he's gonna get his money, regardless if it's in Utah or Charlotte, he has to prove he's worth it.

Well since you are so smart why do you think it is a good idea to give a third option player max money when he hasn't proven he can be a max caliber player? You draft rookies on potential you don't pay a player a max contract simply because you think he will be one. I understand the NBA culture just fine. I am always amazed how stupid GMs are when they over pay for a player who doesn't deserve it and then a year or two later they are trying to trade the player. It happens a lot more than your scenario.

 

[HighlandHomie]

But Manu is not a MAX player. He's the 3rd best player on that Spurs team.



That is why we shouldn't pay Hayward MAX.

Despite not being a consistent knockdown shooter yet, Hayward can facilitate offense in a unique fashion because of his position a la Manu. Though Manu isn't a max-contract guy, he's a 1st ballot HOFer and an All Star...

 

[cowhide]

The board is entrenched in the closely held belief that the key to building a championship team, in fiscal terms, is contingent upon the concept that contracts should accurately reflect a player's fair market value. The second derivative of this logic is that each team's payroll structure should accurately correlate to each player's talent level in order of importance to the team. In fact, the CBA, as designed, assures that almost no player's talent level accurately reflects their fair market value and that a team's pay structure usually does not correlate well to the talent order.

Well it is a business and regardless of the CBA (which isn't perfect) you pay too much for your product then you have to raise prices to pay for it. Why don't you ask the Nets owner how it felt to lose $133 million dollars because he didn't manage his finances. People who are so willing to spend money think this is play money. Look in the past to see how a bad contract crippled the Jazz when they tried to add to the roster.