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All-Time NBA Draft--Round One: Jeffrey32 vs. White Chocolate

Who would win, Jeffrey32 or White Chocolate?

  • Jeffrey32

    Votes: 10 27.0%

  • White Chocolate

    Votes: 27 73.0%
  • Total voters
    37
  • Poll closed .
I like White Chocolate's team. Maybe there's a bit of recency bias, since the players are of a more recent era. I'm a HUGE Penny Hardaway fan and a big fan of Latrell Sprewell also. Those are great value picks. I think I took both those guys last year. I'd like to see a bit more defense on the wing, but Alonzo in the middle helps. Penny, Latrell and Mailman with that kind of spacing creates plenty of offense.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I don't know what went on behind the scenes, but I do know that it should not take a rocket scientist to figure out that putting the two greatest and most beloved Jazz players on the same team when the outcome of the contest is going to decided by the votes of a group of people so fanatical about the Jazz that they are participating on a Jazz discussion board in August. Well done, WC. I see you going a long way in this contest. The only problem is that your two star players never proved that they could win in the finals.
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Ironically, WC was trying to get rid of the duo. Then gave up. But the trade would be on his interest. So he should trade them.

As for your comment on the effectiveness of having two in the roster to gather votes, I said the same thing in the main thread. And I'm against those types of strategies. If you believe they are your pick, do it. But if you do it just to gain homer votes, then this drops out of context and loses enthusiasm. Theain thing should be to build the best team you can, not to come up with community heroes if you ask me.
 
Pretty close match first up..

- I think the C/PF position are awash between these 2 teams...

- Agree that Mullen has the edge at the SF

- Agree that Kobe has the edge at the SG

- I think what it comes down to is the PG position and there depth there of. John Stockton + Penny Hardaway + Tim Hardaway at their peak is an unstoppable trio and to me would dominate the Jerry West + Mark Price pairing.


On that basis I'm going with White Choc on this one.
 
addictionary said:
As for your comment on the effectiveness of having two in the roster to gather votes, I said the same thing in the main thread. And I'm against those types of strategies. If you believe they are your pick, do it. But if you do it just to gain homer votes, then this drops out of context and loses enthusiasm. Theain thing should be to build the best team you can, not to come up with community heroes if you ask me.
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Malone and Stockton at 15 & 16 are steals, Jazz fan, or not.
 
addictionary said:
Ironically, WC was trying to get rid of the duo. Then gave up. But the trade would be on his interest. So he should trade them.

As for your comment on the effectiveness of having two in the roster to gather votes, I said the same thing in the main thread. And I'm against those types of strategies. If you believe they are your pick, do it. But if you do it just to gain homer votes, then this drops out of context and loses enthusiasm. Theain thing should be to build the best team you can, not to come up with community heroes if you ask me.
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I always felt that Sloan was a great coach, but when it came to the three point shot he was old school and coached the game as he believed it ought to be played (in a world where no three point line existed) rather than how it was actually played. He never seemed to understand the effect that the three point line had on the game, either on offense or defense. I think you may be doing the same thing. The purist in you says that you are somehow going to recognize who the best possible team should include, but you are refusing to acknowledge that you are playing your game on a court that has a built in bias (positive or negative) toward certain players.
 
I'm sensing some Jazz bias in this voting. : )

For people who actually know basketball, historically and presently and aren't just Jazz Homers, the only position that the WC team beats mine is Malone, and that said the SLAM 500 Greatest of All Time has Pettit at 14 and Malone at 18. The to Louisiana boys actual have similar career averages and awards, but Pettit has a ring.

In terms of West v. Stockton:

WEST
NBA champion (1972)
NBA Finals MVP (1969)
14× NBA All-Star (1960–1974)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1972)
10× All-NBA First Team (1962–1967, 1970–1973)
2× All-NBA Second Team (1968, 1969)
4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1970–1973)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1969)
NBA scoring champion (1970)
NBA assists leader (1972)
NBA 35th Anniversary Team
NBA 50th Anniversary Team

STOCKTON
10× NBA All-Star (1989–1997, 2000)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1993)
2× All-NBA First Team (1994–1995)
6× All-NBA Second Team
(1988–1990, 1992–1993, 1996)
3× All-NBA Third Team (1991, 1997, 1999)
5× NBA All-Defensive Second Team
(1989, 1991–1992, 1995, 1997)
9× NBA assists leader (1988–1996)
2× NBA steals leader (1989, 1992)
NBA all-time assists leader
NBA all-time steals leader
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team

It is very close, but West is The Logo, won a title, at different time led the league in scoring and assists, and beats Stockton in All-Star, First Team, and Defensive team selections. Unlike other old guys, West would have the size and speed to compete with the more modern players.

My team actually has championships and a lot of them. Kobe (5) alone beats WC's entire team in terms of titles and Bosh, Parish, West, Pettit, Barry, Marion, Cowens, Sikma, Dumars add another 15. Not sure how a team with only 2 beats a team with 20.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Pretty close match first up..

- I think the C/PF position are awash between these 2 teams...

- Agree that Mullen has the edge at the SF

- Agree that Kobe has the edge at the SG

- I think what it comes down to is the PG position and there depth there of. John Stockton + Penny Hardaway + Tim Hardaway at their peak is an unstoppable trio and to me would dominate the Jerry West + Mark Price pairing.


On that basis I'm going with White Choc on this one.
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Not only would Barry beat Mullin, but Oscar Schmidt would as well. When the '92 Dream Team played Brazil, Mullin had 19 and Schmidt had 24.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
Not only would Barry beat Mullin, but Oscar Schmidt would as well. When the '92 Dream Team played Brazil, Mullin had 19 and Schmidt had 24.
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It's a close match for sure and it should be closer than what the votes suggests, but yeah, I dunno why..
 
LOL! This was an "All-Time NBA Draft". Schmidt never played one second in the NBA.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
I'm sensing some Jazz bias in this voting. : )

For people who actually know basketball, historically and presently and aren't just Jazz Homers, the only position that the WC team beats mine is Malone, and that said the SLAM 500 Greatest of All Time has Pettit at 14 and Malone at 18. The to Louisiana boys actual have similar career averages and awards, but Pettit has a ring.

In terms of West v. Stockton:

WEST
NBA champion (1972)
NBA Finals MVP (1969)
14× NBA All-Star (1960–1974)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1972)
10× All-NBA First Team (1962–1967, 1970–1973)
2× All-NBA Second Team (1968, 1969)
4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1970–1973)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1969)
NBA scoring champion (1970)
NBA assists leader (1972)
NBA 35th Anniversary Team
NBA 50th Anniversary Team

STOCKTON
10× NBA All-Star (1989–1997, 2000)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1993)
2× All-NBA First Team (1994–1995)
6× All-NBA Second Team
(1988–1990, 1992–1993, 1996)
3× All-NBA Third Team (1991, 1997, 1999)
5× NBA All-Defensive Second Team
(1989, 1991–1992, 1995, 1997)
9× NBA assists leader (1988–1996)
2× NBA steals leader (1989, 1992)
NBA all-time assists leader
NBA all-time steals leader
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team

It is very close, but West is The Logo, won a title, at different time led the league in scoring and assists, and beats Stockton in All-Star, First Team, and Defensive team selections. Unlike other old guys, West would have the size and speed to compete with the more modern players.

My team actually has championships and a lot of them. Kobe (5) alone beats WC's entire team in terms of titles and Bosh, Parish, West, Pettit, Barry, Marion, Cowens, Sikma, Dumars add another 15. Not sure how a team with only 2 beats a team with 20.
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Stockton is 1st all time in assists and 1st all time in steals. Case closed.
 
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