candrew
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Essentially I think (hope) you are correct. But at the same time I can't blame black folks for feeling that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzaBi_QxPw
Jon Stewart on white privilege (cc: unnamed posters... etc.)
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Essentially I think (hope) you are correct. But at the same time I can't blame black folks for feeling that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzaBi_QxPw
I hope so to, and I really do think that is the case. But in no way does that mean that EVERY white person feels that way. Obviously SOME do actively wish to keep black people and other races oppressed. I just do not believe that is the majority anymore.
And since I am white I am not allowed to have an opinion on the matter, but I still do, and my opinion is that I can see why many blacks (and other races...blacks are not the only "non-white" race around) would feel that way too. But I have more than a few black friends who get upset when other blacks seem to lean on that as an "excuse" (their words, not mine), and that is the best kind of evidence, anecdotal.
One Brow
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I agree that the preference would not be active, in that it would not a positive statement or preference and would not have actions taken to directly support it.
Agreed.
So is actively recognizing it ans support ideas,laws and programs that are meant to direct address that be enough to not be passively supporting it.
I'm on Xanax, Loratab and an antibiotic. So forgive all the errors
Xanax US amazing FYI
Remember our forum drug policy. .... Bring enough for everyone!
Y'all go get vesectomies and we can talk.
Been there done that, now pass over the goods bro.
♪alt13
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careful with the xanax bro
That **** makes people act like they just chased a bottle of whiskey with a rig full of heroin.
Sadly enough it's all gone. Apparently I text one of my wife's friends and convinced her to send me some revealing selfies. She never told my wife lol. Now I know who to hit up if I'm lonely lol.
don't know anything about all that stuff. Just a chemist workin' in the 'hood.
what really burns me is all this inside chatter users dish out about how superior they are for using chemicals personally. The whole drugged out privileged class who won't roll out and clear the economic ditches. That's the real divide in this nation.
Users sit on their arses and invoke socialist principles to make the rest of us. . . well both of us. . . . support the rest.
♪alt13
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The only pill I take is ibuprofen. I'm prone to habituation so I decline prescriptions. I have witnessed the effect of this pill on far too many occasions. The thing that really bothers me about prescription addicts is that their level of denial is enhanced by the legitimacy the doctor provides. Prescriptions transfer responsibility to the doctor and that has it's own side effects. Which is why I pointed out that he should be cautious.
Edit: well that and the thought that he might do something stupid like hit on his wives friend.
jimmy eat jazz
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My apologies in advance to any women who might get offended . . . you never know how much things bounce around down there until you get a vasectomy and every bounce sends a shudder of pain through your body.
jimmy eat jazz
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Not the majority, but a non-trivial minority? Absolutely.
Even if a majority does not actively seek to oppress blacks, wide swaths of white America persistently oppose remedies intended to mainstream blacks (e.g, affirmative action), vilify efforts to make society more inclusive (e.g., dismissing such efforts as politically correct), oppose policies to create more equitable economic outcomes (they're socialist, after all), continue to vote bigots into office, engage in pervasive negative stereotyping of blacks (e.g., our very own Carolina Jazz), and so forth. So, while not actively and consciously seeking to keep black people oppressed, many, many whites continue to oppose just about every approach conceived to remedy the results of past oppressions, while clinging to comforting myths, such as the rugged American pulling him/herself up by bootstraps, merit and hard work ensure success, race is a non-issue, policies designed to benefit the entrenched economic elites actually benefit all of society, etc.
jimmy eat jazz
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I didn't say I don't have time to engage you. My point (perhaps not well-expressed), is that I don't have time or inclination to engage you following rules you seek to impose on me with regards to the nature of the engagement. You've no obligation to accept anything I say, while I have no obligation to adhere to arbitrary rules of engagement you might wish to impose.
You bring up some good points but without allowing for the myriad of reasons one might do so. Such as Affirmative Action, I oppose it not to keep blacks under my boot but because it is a horribly ineffective remedies to a symptom and not the problem. It rewards a lucky few without ever leveling the playing field. It does nothing to stem the flow of minorities that reach adulthood and are dramatically unprepared.
As for bigots. Bigots is often used a catch phrase for those that simply hold different views and loses its meaning as a result. But let us focus on why someone you consider a bigot gets voted into office. Perhaps it is that they are pro-life and anti abortion. Or the fact that they support the military. Or maybe even that they support gay marriage. It's not because they are bigoted against any specific group.
Many whites disapprove of the current policies and methods as they have proven to do nothing more then preserve the status quo. A status quo which confines most minorities to a lesser standard of life.
If society wants to talk about addressing the problems and not the symptoms then I think some actual progress will be made.
I made a post highlighting some areas to focus on in the white privilege poll thread.
jimmy eat jazz
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Just curious, how do you know with such certainty that Affirmative Action has been a failure?
By bigot, I mean someone who possesses an irrational feat/dislike/hatred/suspicion of groups of people based on immutable group characteristics (gender, skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation). (I do not consider beliefs, religious or otherwise, to be an immutable characteristic.)
I don't know how you address the problem without addressing the symptoms. I can't imagine telling a Dr. to proceed that way. You can't always address the underlying problem so easily, and doing so can take generations to change. In the meantime, you can't ignore the symptoms. For example, while we can work for year after year to address the causes of racial bigotry, you really mean to suggest that we shouldn't address the symptoms, such as excluding blacks from, say, membership within a fraternity, discriminating against blacks in job applications, etc. These are ALL symptoms of racial bigotry, and you can't ignore them while trying to tack the underlying cause, which again will take generations to solve, although to be honest, I don't think you'll ever solve it.
Does AA do anything to stop the flow of unprepared minority adults? No it does not.
It just tries to figure out what to do with them once they are there. Like giving someone a fever reducer but not doing anything to find out why they have a fever.
It just tries to figure out what to do with them once they are there. Like giving someone a fever reducer but not doing anything to find out why they have a fever.
jimmy eat jazz
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A program/policy can be successful and still not have achieved every imaginable goal/objective. A problem with public policies is that once they enter the public realm, every stakeholder attaches its own set of objectives to the policy, and in many cases, the objectives are not feasible, particularly given that no public policy will completely solve any problem, and nearly all policies have undesirable effects. This all makes evaluating the 'success' of public policies fraught with challenges.
To me, the success of AA will be primarily determined by the extent to which it has helped mainstream blacks and other targeted groups at a rate substantially exceeding what would have happened without it. I don't have the data to say one way or the other whether it's been successful--at the very least, I am comfortable concluding that its adverse effects are way, way overhyped by those who oppose it on purely ideological grounds. (I'm by no means suggesting this includes you Stoked.)
♪alt13
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Arbitrary rules of engagement? really?
I made a statement.
You disputed that statement.
I gave you an example that I thought backed up my statement and asked you to provide a counter example.
You threw a tantrum.
There is nothing arbitrary about it.